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Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 3

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fromorbit · 23/01/2026 07:54

Welcome to Part 3 of Mumsnet charting the drama inside Your Party. We have followed YP from the start when it looked liked it might be a major player to its ongoing internal row which has left it struggling.

We have the best and funniest commentary on British hard left wing politics, looking not just at YP itself, but wider issues plaguing the left. Dominated by the problem which weirdly didn't worry Marx, the Chartists, Anarchists, Trade Unionists, even Communist regimes, or much of the long history of left wing feminists, but suddenly in the last ten or so years has become huge. Is Human biology a thing ? Are men in dresses the most oppressed people on the planet even if they are billionaires?

Currently we are looking at Your Party internal elections which have been dominated by the split between the Corbyn and Sultana factions who have different visions of how the party should look. Summarised here:

Your Party? Whose elections?
https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2026-01-21/your-party-whose-elections?language_content_entity=en

Sultana's Grassroots Left slate not only added Corbyn without permission but others. It seems they are being denounced for undemocratic manoeuvres.

Fractures amongst Sultana's shadow caucus have opened up
https://skidrowradio.substack.com/p/the-slate-that-wasnt

As always the Men in Dresses have outsize importance. The Trans Liberation group are backing the Sultanate Grassroots Left faction, but things as always are messy.

The set up of the YP voting also means there are male and female posts in each region. The non binary types are claiming this is unfair what about them:
Is this trolling? LGBTQIA+ group demand "non-binary" CEC spots
A Your Party clique is infuriated that non-men/women isn't a category for the elections.
https://skidrowradio.substack.com/p/is-this-trolling-lgbtqia-group-demand

There is plenty more crazy to come.

Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5394557-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread

Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 2
All about the conference and run up which really saw YP faction fighting intensify. Highlights included a Scottish "trans" male sex pest berating the conference.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5440730-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread-part-2?page=1

people's party

Your Party? Whose elections?

Edited 21.1.26 with updates. Ruth Cashman, a regular writer for Solidarity, was initially banned from standing for the Central Executive Committee of Your Party on grounds that YP rules exclude members of “other national political parties”. She appeale...

https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2026-01-21/your-party-whose-elections?language_content_entity=en

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SionnachRuadh · 09/03/2026 00:54

I know I make fun of unemployed maharajah Tariq Ali, but he's seen this kind of thing many times before. Maybe in his old age he's started to learn that this is not how you win friends and influence people.

Bertiebiscuit · 09/03/2026 00:36

I would also be happier if Corbyn had stayed on his allotment.

Lalgarh · 09/03/2026 00:31

The Lambeth branch has had it's chair and vice chair resign after a struggle session over the (veteran female) vice chairs statement being seen as transphobic, after mention of balancing rights.

Tariq Ali is sad

https://nitter.net/habibi_uk/status/2030679386198823069#m

ThisTaupeZebra · 27/02/2026 07:59

fromorbit · 26/02/2026 12:56

Corbyn’s slate now has a majority

The Many (Corbyn Slate): 14
Grassroots Left (Sultana Slate): 8
Independent: 2
*Corbyn was endorsed by both slates.
Turnout: 25,347 (61.8%). Membership: 40,985.

Public Office Holders
CORBYN, Jeremy (The Many) SULTANA, Zarah (Grassroots Left) SMITH, Laura (The Many) LEWIS, Grace (Grassroots Left)

North West GORST, Sam (Independent) ASPINALL, Dawn (The Many)
North East DAVIS, Catherine (The Many) HAWKINS, Hannah (The Many) Yorkshire & The Humber MOSLEY, Monique (The Many) WILSON, Sophie (Grassroots Left)
East of England AHMED, Solma (Grassroots Left) RUST, Jo (The Many)
West Midlands CLARKE, Megan (Grassroots Left) MOFFAT, Sue (The Many) East Midlands REGAN, Louise (The Many) KHAN, Riaz (The Many)
South East WIMBORNE-IDRISSI, Naomi (Independent) BELLINGHAM, Cassandra (The Many)
South West WILLIAMS, Candi (Grassroots Left) FORBES, Jennifer (The Many) London MULLINGS, Melecia (Grassroots Left) BEGUM, Noor Jahan (The Many) Wales DONNELLAN, Maria (The Many)
Scotland CHRISTIE, Niall (Independent)

I imagine the party will go regional focusing mainly on Muslim areas in North midlands though I guess they will also fight seriously in London.

Might make a difference in the upcoming London elections and damage the Greens.

So in old money, are Corbyn's slate Labour Left, and Sultana's slate SWP-sympathisers?

It seems to me the 'Members' Oversight Committee' is still pretty opaque. 5 members, but one wants to remain anonymous according to the Guardian. Only 3 listed on the Your Party website.

Steph Pike was heavily involved in Counterfire/People's Assembly Against Austerity 10 years ago, so I presume a Sultana supporter? Does anybody know where Felicity Smart and Will Donovan come from?

The Your Party committee election was chaos. Why break the habit of a lifetime? | John Crace

As the results livestream was delayed, voters lamented: ‘Is it too much to ask for competence as well as democracy?’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/26/the-your-party-committee-election-was-chaos-why-break-the-habit-of-a-lifetime

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2026 04:04

Sounds seriously dodgy!

Lalgarh · 26/02/2026 21:32

This is from before the results came out, but shows there are still skirmishes between the factions blocking others from attending meetings.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/25/future-of-party-lies-in-balance-corbyn-and-sultanas-battle-for-soul-of-your-party

And this:

Even if the election does provide some resolution, it is unlikely to be the end of the drama. The Guardian understands that a dispute about the funds, which centres on hundreds of thousands of pounds of donations and fees received by MOU Operations Ltd, a company set up earlier this year, is ongoing.
Sultana, who now has sole control over MOU Operations, is understood to have transferred £600,000 of about £850,000 to Your Party coffers, arguing the rest should be retained in case of future legal or administrative expenses.
A separate pot of money – believed to be about £500,000 – that was collected after Sultana launched the unauthorised membership portal on 18 September remains in limbo.

Is she collecting interest on that estimated £750k?

Zero hour: Corbyn and Sultana duke it out in battle for the soul of Your Party

After eight months of rows and rifts, results of leadership election offering ‘fundamentally differing visions’ are due

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/25/future-of-party-lies-in-balance-corbyn-and-sultanas-battle-for-soul-of-your-party

SionnachRuadh · 26/02/2026 14:16

I notice that Zarah's friend Grace Lewis, the sole Coventry councillor to defect, got in. Grace is 22. She has the useful effect of making Zarah look a bit more mature by comparison.

I wonder if we could do that in reverse and find a very elderly figure who would make Corbyn look relatively young and sprightly. It's a shame Mildred Gordon is no longer with us.

fromorbit · 26/02/2026 14:01

SionnachRuadh · 26/02/2026 13:01

You're telling me that Max Shanly didn't get elected? But everyone on X was supporting him!

Apparently Corbynism didn't die in 2019.

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SionnachRuadh · 26/02/2026 13:01

You're telling me that Max Shanly didn't get elected? But everyone on X was supporting him!

fromorbit · 26/02/2026 12:56

Corbyn’s slate now has a majority

The Many (Corbyn Slate): 14
Grassroots Left (Sultana Slate): 8
Independent: 2
*Corbyn was endorsed by both slates.
Turnout: 25,347 (61.8%). Membership: 40,985.

Public Office Holders
CORBYN, Jeremy (The Many) SULTANA, Zarah (Grassroots Left) SMITH, Laura (The Many) LEWIS, Grace (Grassroots Left)

North West GORST, Sam (Independent) ASPINALL, Dawn (The Many)
North East DAVIS, Catherine (The Many) HAWKINS, Hannah (The Many) Yorkshire & The Humber MOSLEY, Monique (The Many) WILSON, Sophie (Grassroots Left)
East of England AHMED, Solma (Grassroots Left) RUST, Jo (The Many)
West Midlands CLARKE, Megan (Grassroots Left) MOFFAT, Sue (The Many) East Midlands REGAN, Louise (The Many) KHAN, Riaz (The Many)
South East WIMBORNE-IDRISSI, Naomi (Independent) BELLINGHAM, Cassandra (The Many)
South West WILLIAMS, Candi (Grassroots Left) FORBES, Jennifer (The Many) London MULLINGS, Melecia (Grassroots Left) BEGUM, Noor Jahan (The Many) Wales DONNELLAN, Maria (The Many)
Scotland CHRISTIE, Niall (Independent)

I imagine the party will go regional focusing mainly on Muslim areas in North midlands though I guess they will also fight seriously in London.

Might make a difference in the upcoming London elections and damage the Greens.

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fromorbit · 26/02/2026 12:43

Corbyn wins. Probably for the best for the party Sultana would have run it into the ground

Corbyn to be Your Party parliamentary leader as Sultana joins leadership committee
Former Labour leader says time for ‘real work’ to begin as his candidates take 14 of 24 available places on executive committee
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/26/jeremy-corbyn-your-party-parliamentary-leader-zarah-sultana-leadership-committee-seat

Corbyn to be Your Party parliamentary leader as Sultana joins leadership committee

Former Labour leader says time for ‘real work’ to begin as his candidates take 14 of 24 available places on executive committee

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/26/jeremy-corbyn-your-party-parliamentary-leader-zarah-sultana-leadership-committee-seat

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RainbowBagels · 12/02/2026 20:08

A party with a broad base will have different views among its voters”, she was “anxious” to clarify. “I didn’t mean to deny that.”
Well she clearly did mean to deny it. Its what 'no place in the party' means. You cant 'clarify' something which was very clear.

fromorbit · 12/02/2026 10:43

Through criticism of Sultana here from the left. She comes out looking very petty and ambitious.

Your Party's Infantile Disorder
What happened to Britain's new left-wing party?

This reckless short-termism, however, has already started to come unstuck. In September, to the whoops and cheers of the watching audience, Sultana told a podcast “there is no room for socially conservative views in a socialist left wing party. Period.” She made this categorical pronouncement – seemingly believing it would be lapped-up by the party’s membership – in opposition to her Independent Alliance colleague Adnan Hussain MP, who had previously said that he and many Muslims hold such views.

This social media-mediated rift largely focused on trans rights and Muslim communities, and has threatened to be one of the most consequential developments of Your Party, jeopardising the historic alliance between the organised Left and Muslim communities. As a Morning Star editorial said, the dispute risks “rupturing the alliances which have underpinned the anti-war and pro-Palestinian movements over the last quarter century.”

Even here Sultana’s hypocrisy is evident. Against factional rivals such as Hussain, Sultana has said their views on trans rights mean they have no place in the party, but factional allies who hold similar views – such as the former General Secretary of PCS Union, Mark Serwotka – appear to be no cause for concern, as she happily holds party events with them.

This is a rare instance where Sultana’s posturing has resulted in pushback from within the Left, undermining her own short-termist strategy. In an interview with the Morning Star, Sultana was challenged on her definitive declaration rejecting anyone with socially conservative views from the party. Fearing the consequences of her actions, she gave an inch: “A party with a broad base will have different views among its voters”, she was “anxious” to clarify. “I didn’t mean to deny that.”
https://samjoyce96.substack.com/p/your-partys-infantile-disorder

Your Party's Infantile Disorder

What happened to Britain's new left-wing party?

https://samjoyce96.substack.com/p/your-partys-infantile-disorder

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SionnachRuadh · 09/02/2026 15:57

I may be wrong about this, and please correct me if so - there's an oddity about Scotland's voting system and how it gives disproportionate results.

This year is likely to be very disproportionate because the SNP will dominate the constituency MSPs but, having only about 30% of the vote, might come first in the regional vote while having no regional MSPs at all.

I don't know how this massive wasted SNP vote affects the threshold for getting regional MSPs elected, whether it makes it lower or higher?

I do know the entry of Reform (who might come second in votes but struggle to win any constituencies) will make the regional lists more competitive.

On that basis, a YP vote of maybe 2% would not come close to winning any seats for YP, but could kneecap the Greens in multiple regions.

fromorbit · 09/02/2026 15:46

DameProfessorIDareSay · 09/02/2026 09:36

"Ellie Gomersall, who was poised to be elected as a Green MSP via the Glasgow regional list prior to defecting to Your Party, said the conference had "proved our commitment to becoming a serious political force”"

Thanks for this @fromorbit I had somehow managed to miss the fact that even the batshit Scottish Greens were no longer batshit enough for ‘Ellie’. In my opinion there is only one issue he really cares about; getting men into women’s spaces. Can’t see that going down well with Muslim voters.

If you wade back through the threads and the Scottish Green one you can see Gomersall's actions in all its glory

The best hope is the YP Scotland damage the Scottish Greens in the list vote in Glasgow and keep them out.

NB Glasgow has the most Muslims in Scotland. Though I suspect Sawar has that very much in mind.

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borntobequiet · 09/02/2026 10:27

SionnachRuadh · 09/02/2026 09:29

People (ok, blokes) who play football with Starmer say: he's very serious about the game, he puts in lots of energy, he's not a bad player exactly, he's just got zero instinctive feel for the game. That tells you something about him.

The fact that Corbyn doesn't put on a persona, he really is exactly how he appears to be, I think is key to why people warm to him... and often blind themselves to his faults.

The football thing is very interesting.

Lalgarh · 09/02/2026 10:11

Starmer oddly reminds me now of Hector the Inspector, the Inland Revenue's mascot designed to humanise the labyrinthine tax system in the 1990s.

Slightly blank but stolid

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/02/2026 09:44

SionnachRuadh · 09/02/2026 09:29

People (ok, blokes) who play football with Starmer say: he's very serious about the game, he puts in lots of energy, he's not a bad player exactly, he's just got zero instinctive feel for the game. That tells you something about him.

The fact that Corbyn doesn't put on a persona, he really is exactly how he appears to be, I think is key to why people warm to him... and often blind themselves to his faults.

People with autism do not tend to have instinctive responses to social situations. Responses have to be rehearsed and learned, and so often come across as wooden and uncomfortable.

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/02/2026 09:38

Playingvideogames · 09/02/2026 09:27

Of course you do 🙄

What is this supposed to mean or imply?

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/02/2026 09:37

error

DameProfessorIDareSay · 09/02/2026 09:36

"Ellie Gomersall, who was poised to be elected as a Green MSP via the Glasgow regional list prior to defecting to Your Party, said the conference had "proved our commitment to becoming a serious political force”"

Thanks for this @fromorbit I had somehow managed to miss the fact that even the batshit Scottish Greens were no longer batshit enough for ‘Ellie’. In my opinion there is only one issue he really cares about; getting men into women’s spaces. Can’t see that going down well with Muslim voters.

SionnachRuadh · 09/02/2026 09:29

People (ok, blokes) who play football with Starmer say: he's very serious about the game, he puts in lots of energy, he's not a bad player exactly, he's just got zero instinctive feel for the game. That tells you something about him.

The fact that Corbyn doesn't put on a persona, he really is exactly how he appears to be, I think is key to why people warm to him... and often blind themselves to his faults.

Playingvideogames · 09/02/2026 09:27

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/02/2026 09:21

Yes, he is. But Starmer is also very wooden and awkward ( I suspect autism)

Of course you do 🙄

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/02/2026 09:21

Playingvideogames · 09/02/2026 09:16

So is Starmer.

Yes, he is. But Starmer is also very wooden and awkward ( I suspect autism)

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