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TeenagersAngst · 18/01/2026 11:37

PollyNomial · 18/01/2026 10:59

Without wishing to derail the thread, I should point out that Maccabi Tel Aviv was sanctioned after their next match in Europe by UEFA because their 'fans' did what WMP warned they would do. WMPs documentation was appalling (exaggerating one incident, ignoring many others) but their conclusion wasn't wrong and I'm grateful my Villa supporting DS and friends were kept safe.

Totally ignoring the point as so many are. Football fans can be hooligans, we know that.

Just a few weeks later, Aston Villa welcomed the Young Boys known to be violent who indeed kicked off and the match had to be halted. But no Muslim leaders expressed concern about them visiting Birmingham.

I wonder why.

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 18/01/2026 11:31

persephonia · 16/01/2026 09:42

You genuinely think they aren't letting her in because she's white? I have white Dutch friends visit me frequently and they have never had any issues.
Are you a man? No shame if you are. But you have mentioned that she is very beautiful several times now. Yes, she is very attractive good for her! But is the implication that she is being barred for this? Or is it meant to make it worse that she is being barred?
As others have pointed out but you have ignored. Radical Muslims etc have also been banned from entering the UK. As have people with criminal records. It's actually very difficult to get a visa from some countries. We have never had uncontrolled immigration or open borders. Yes yes, I know people on small boats. But the reason people get onto dingies is because they can't get into the country via regular routes because we control entry quite strictly.

"As others have pointed out but you have ignored. Radical Muslims etc have also been banned from entering the UK. As have people with criminal records."

The radicals that haven't at some point been defended by Starmer. Alaa Abd el-Fattah was released from prison in Egypt and then he and his family were brought to the UK. The man is a nutcase and hates white people, but apparently a harmless individual otherwise. He shouldn't be anywhere near the British Isles, but Starmer obviously disagrees.

PollyNomial · 18/01/2026 10:59

TeenagersAngst · 18/01/2026 10:40

I think the case of WMP this week has shown us that those apparently in possession of the intelligence still make flawed decisions.

Without wishing to derail the thread, I should point out that Maccabi Tel Aviv was sanctioned after their next match in Europe by UEFA because their 'fans' did what WMP warned they would do. WMPs documentation was appalling (exaggerating one incident, ignoring many others) but their conclusion wasn't wrong and I'm grateful my Villa supporting DS and friends were kept safe.

TeenagersAngst · 18/01/2026 10:40

OnePercentBetterEachDay · 18/01/2026 10:15

But I do see her as a threat and I don't want her here.

Ultimately, neither of us have access to all of the relevant information or intelligence, so neither of us get to decide. In this case, those who have access to the relevant facts have made a decision that she is a threat. That's how immigration control works.

I think the case of WMP this week has shown us that those apparently in possession of the intelligence still make flawed decisions.

BeanQuisine · 18/01/2026 10:26

"What exactly makes her far right?"

Um, the fact that she describes herself as far right? And her views are essentially neo-Nazi.

It's heartening to see the government has banned her from entering the UK.

She describes herself as a "Shieldmaiden of the far right":

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Vlaardingerbroek

OnePercentBetterEachDay · 18/01/2026 10:15

happydappy2 · 18/01/2026 10:04

Thanks for that link-I don’t see her as a threat, she should be welcome here

But I do see her as a threat and I don't want her here.

Ultimately, neither of us have access to all of the relevant information or intelligence, so neither of us get to decide. In this case, those who have access to the relevant facts have made a decision that she is a threat. That's how immigration control works.

happydappy2 · 18/01/2026 10:04

Thanks for that link-I don’t see her as a threat, she should be welcome here

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justasking111 · 17/01/2026 21:42

UtopiaPlanitia · 17/01/2026 17:11

I thought this might be of interest to the thread, a DM profile of Vlaadingerbroek:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15467567/Dutch-activist-barred-UK-criticising-Keir-Starmer.html

Now I remember her. She spoke at a protest in London last year. She actually spoke very well. I'd no idea who she was that day.

justasking111 · 17/01/2026 10:45

@YorkshireGoldDrinker congratulations on your precious winkle. A wonderful spring is almost here for him

EasternStandard · 17/01/2026 10:40

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 17/01/2026 09:35

I don't have a winkie, but my baby does. After years of dashed hopes, heartbreak and misery. I'm 7 months along now and I have my hospital bag ready.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/pregnancy/5445782-looking-at-prams-and-feeding-equipment-and-broke-down-when-i-got-home

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/pregnancy/5405613-pregnant-with-first-baby

I compliment another woman on her looks (yes, it happens and it's allowed), therefore I must be a man.

So tiresome.

It is. The pp got it wrong assuming you were male.

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 17/01/2026 09:35

YouHaveAnArse · 16/01/2026 23:48

We don't need to know about what your winkie thinks tyvm

I don't have a winkie, but my baby does. After years of dashed hopes, heartbreak and misery. I'm 7 months along now and I have my hospital bag ready.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/pregnancy/5445782-looking-at-prams-and-feeding-equipment-and-broke-down-when-i-got-home

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/pregnancy/5405613-pregnant-with-first-baby

I compliment another woman on her looks (yes, it happens and it's allowed), therefore I must be a man.

So tiresome.

Binus · 17/01/2026 08:33

Sausagenbacon · 17/01/2026 08:21

Given that Starmer, Cooper and Lammy publicly welcomed el Fattah into the country recently, I just wish they were more consistent

El Fattah is a British citizen. We can all wish he wasn't, but that's done. Of course citizens have more rights than a random prospective visitor. The idea that the two should be treated consistently is absurd.

Sausagenbacon · 17/01/2026 08:21

Given that Starmer, Cooper and Lammy publicly welcomed el Fattah into the country recently, I just wish they were more consistent

OneGreyKoala · 17/01/2026 06:32

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YouHaveAnArse · 16/01/2026 23:48

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 15/01/2026 18:49

She hurts feelings and that's usually enough these days.

Starmer campaigned for Alaa Abd el-Fattah's release from prison in Egypt and then subsequently let him into the country despite extremely anti-Semitic musings.

Eva has the wrong opinions, that's all it really comes down to. She's also extremely attractive.

We don't need to know about what your winkie thinks tyvm

justasking111 · 16/01/2026 14:20

Firetreev · 16/01/2026 13:53

Good riddance! Why do so many on this board seem sympathetic to far right racists? Feminism doesn't need to go hand in glove with racism! X really is a toxic hell hole which is poisoning the minds of so many in this country.

Freedom of speech. You don't have to be a leftie to be a feminist

EasternStandard · 16/01/2026 13:53

persephonia · 16/01/2026 13:50

It's aimed at both.

Have you seen a direct quote on that?

Firetreev · 16/01/2026 13:53

Good riddance! Why do so many on this board seem sympathetic to far right racists? Feminism doesn't need to go hand in glove with racism! X really is a toxic hell hole which is poisoning the minds of so many in this country.

persephonia · 16/01/2026 13:50

EasternStandard · 16/01/2026 13:47

I think she probably does but pp are not identifying the correct religion, just going by the few quotes and summary it’s aimed at a different one.

It's aimed at both.

EasternStandard · 16/01/2026 13:47

persephonia · 16/01/2026 13:40

Did you see the heretics interview Andrew Gold did with a self described racist/ethnic nationalist? He quite explicitly told Andrew Gold that he should be remigrated to Israel/Palestine. Is that person pro Israel? Does this make them also pro-semite?

Some people like Gerth Van Wilders is I think quite genuinely concerned about anti-Semitism. Even if you disagree with his other views I think his support for Israel comes from that. Because of the German occupation and the Holocaust anti-Semitism was seen as toxic, even on the right. And criticising Israel seen as bad because it's anti-Semitic/they are our ally/a democracy etc. So he is of that tradition.
There is a younger (fortunately quite small) far right generation who believe in the Great Replacement Theory and support the idea of remigration, including of Jews. They also support Israel. Partly because Israel are fighting Muslims. But also because Israel is where the Jews are meant to live. They want Israel to exist so that Jews like Andrew Gold can go there. Ethno states in the middle east for Jews. Ethno states in the Netherlands for blonde women and blonde volleyball playing, child raping men. But everyone has blue eyes so it's fine.

When Eva talks about native Dutch people like herself being replaced and needing to be protected she is NOT talking about Gerth Van Wilders who is himself mixed race. And she isn't talking about Jewish residents in Amsterdam either. Also, partly they like Israel because the left doesn't and therefore it triggers the left. I don't think the old guard fully understand the new guard, but they both support Israel. For very different reasons.

How much Eva believes in the great replacement stuff I don't know. It's always hard to tell because you have people coming up via an online/algorithm hopping route rather than via traditional politics. So she is very good at jumping on issues, from farming to great replacement, and now to UK internal issues. Even AIs, if you take the guard rails away will morph into anti Semitic conspiracy bots because their algorithms promote engagement and anti-Semitic conspiracies get engagement. So people engagement farming go that way as well. But I also think it's dangerous to assume that when someone talks about the Great Replacement they are only doing it for engagement.

Edit: sorry that should have been a reply to @EasternStandard but the quote disappeared

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I think she probably does but pp are not identifying the correct religion, just going by the few quotes and summary it’s aimed at a different one.

persephonia · 16/01/2026 13:40

Did you see the heretics interview Andrew Gold did with a self described racist/ethnic nationalist? He quite explicitly told Andrew Gold that he should be remigrated to Israel/Palestine. Is that person pro Israel? Does this make them also pro-semite?

Some people like Gerth Van Wilders is I think quite genuinely concerned about anti-Semitism. Even if you disagree with his other views I think his support for Israel comes from that. Because of the German occupation and the Holocaust anti-Semitism was seen as toxic, even on the right. And criticising Israel seen as bad because it's anti-Semitic/they are our ally/a democracy etc. So he is of that tradition.
There is a younger (fortunately quite small) far right generation who believe in the Great Replacement Theory and support the idea of remigration, including of Jews. They also support Israel. Partly because Israel are fighting Muslims. But also because Israel is where the Jews are meant to live. They want Israel to exist so that Jews like Andrew Gold can go there. Ethno states in the middle east for Jews. Ethno states in the Netherlands for blonde women and blonde volleyball playing, child raping men. But everyone has blue eyes so it's fine.

When Eva talks about native Dutch people like herself being replaced and needing to be protected she is NOT talking about Gerth Van Wilders who is himself mixed race. And she isn't talking about Jewish residents in Amsterdam either. Also, partly they like Israel because the left doesn't and therefore it triggers the left. I don't think the old guard fully understand the new guard, but they both support Israel. For very different reasons.

How much Eva believes in the great replacement stuff I don't know. It's always hard to tell because you have people coming up via an online/algorithm hopping route rather than via traditional politics. So she is very good at jumping on issues, from farming to great replacement, and now to UK internal issues. Even AIs, if you take the guard rails away will morph into anti Semitic conspiracy bots because their algorithms promote engagement and anti-Semitic conspiracies get engagement. So people engagement farming go that way as well. But I also think it's dangerous to assume that when someone talks about the Great Replacement they are only doing it for engagement.

Edit: sorry that should have been a reply to @EasternStandard but the quote disappeared

CarobBean72 · 16/01/2026 13:37

Theunamedcat · 14/01/2026 18:25

Didn't we recently let in a terrorist?

Quite possibly, but that’s not an argument against keeping any other person out, is it?

If anything, it’s an argument for keeping more people out, not fewer.

Maddy70 · 16/01/2026 13:32

She is a far right activist who spouts hate speech and definitely should not be allowed in the country. People wanted control of our borders , then complain when that right is implemented

EasternStandard · 16/01/2026 13:12

persephonia · 16/01/2026 12:29

I lived in the Netherlands and I speak Dutch and I'm possibly more immersed in Dutch political trends... Apologies for the length:

You have people like Gerth Van Wilders who gained his political awakening on a trip to Israel (he talks about this himself.) So I think it's fair to describe him as anti-Islam/anti immigrant but not to smear him as anti-Semitic because he clearly isn't.
Then you have younger people like Eva who came up via the sort of gen Z/alt right/generation identity anti immigrant feeling that went through Europe. And has sort of made a name for herself through online campaigning/Twitter/controversies. At one end of the gen Z anti immigrant spectrum you have people who explicitly believe in the great replacement theory and refer to it a lot. She is on that end. It goes further than just not liking immigration - the whole idea is that "people" are explicitly trying to destroy the white race and replace them with immigrants. She has said they want to destroy people like her (blonde blue eyed real Dutch). The "people" are sometimes George Soros, sometimes Davos, sometimes the "elites" but pretty much always it's Jews really She is currently aligned with Van Wilders, although I think she is further to the right of him. So she is pushing the antiMuslim line the hardest right now but people like that really do not like Jews either.

An easy comparison though not exact would be the alliance between people like Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson/Candace Owens. An alliance that broke down once they no longer needed Ben Shapiro onboard.

As I said, I am happy to have people enter the country who criticise Israel or criticise Muslim countries,.or criticise our own country. But I think at the very least when non citizens express anti Semitic OR anti-muslim rhetoric or anti-Christian rhetoric we have the right to look more closely at their right to entry and ask them to make a visa. That's all that has happened to her. She has not even been banned.

It’s fine I don’t mind the length of the post but I’m not getting what you’re saying from Google overview.

Dutch far-right political commentator and activist Eva Vlaardingerbroek holds strongly pro-Israel views and is a vocal critic of Hamas

  • Support for Israel: She is a self-described "Pro-Israel 'Conservative'".