Get the violins out - Stonewall is "in crisis"

There is such an entity, surely?

LGBA is what survives of Stonewall. Weren't many of the people who set up LGBA ex-Stonewall activists who didn't like the change of focus to TQetc? And who already recognised that the change would undermine LGB rights and likely provoke a backlash that would hit LGB people?

I think that Stonewall have directly caused what is now being experienced by trans people as a backlash of "transphobia" against them, which must be very painful and make them feel genuinely persecuted.

But the reality is that Stonewall managed to infiltrate pretty much every corridor of power in the country and put in place something akin to a dystopian police state where people have been forced to say they believe trans women are women out of fear of the repercussions if they don't.

And in the light of the Supreme Court ruling, a lot of people have now gained the confidence to say, "Finally, someone has said it, and not just anyone, the highest court in the land. Trans women are not women and do not belong in women's spaces. And if the Supreme Court can say it, so can I."

But trans people have been conditioned by the TQ+ lobby to believe that not believing TWAW and TMAM is transphobic. So of course they believe that what they are currently seeing is an outpouring of transphobia.

As opposed to what it actually is, an outpouring of the truth that we have been forbidden from speaking for so long.

Oh well 🤷‍♀️

Just wanted to add that it's thanks to one of the wise women on here that I know that Stonewall stopped 'representing' people with DSDs over a year ago.

Apologies for not remembering her name, but someone here pointed out that people with DSDs (or maybe a leading DSD charity?) had a meeting with Stonewall and asked for a formal separation. Stonewall had to embarrassingly update their website to say they no longer represent 'intersex' people.

Of course it's because Stonewall were exploiting people with DSDs to try to pretend that sex is a spectrum. The NHS stopped using the term 'intersex' over twenty years ago because of course sex isn't a spectrum and people with DSDs are very much still male or female.

This is why Stonewall dropped the I in LGBTQI. And most LGB people realised that Stonewall was screwing us over years ago when Ruth Hunt said that caring about what genitals your sexual partner has is akin to racism. So all they have left is the TQ.

There absolutely is a backlash against LGB people. You've seen what's happening in Hungary and the US just in recent weeks? They're not wrong about diagnosing that part of the problem. I just don't think they've done the work to plan effectively how to be the right organisation for that campaign. While they're still insisting that the right approach I for UK organisations to employ them to understand how to 'respond to' the Supreme Court, when they haven't even acknowledged that their advice was part of what led to the case going to the SC in the first place, they're hardly going to be effective in advocacy to the EU to actually do something about Hungary and Orban's homophobic laws.

Do Stonewall do anything at all for "I" people? I have not come across one instance of them advocating for people with a DSD.

So nothing about what the SC ruling clarified for lesbians' freedom of association and for transmens' maternity rights? These are good news stories for an LGBTQ charity.

Total delusion - there’s no “backlash” against LGB people, who should never have been glommed onto by the trans brigade in the first place.

2018
We call on Stonewall to:

• Acknowledge that there are a range of valid viewpoints around sex, gender and transgender politics
• Acknowledge specifically the conflict that exists between transgenderism and sex-based women’s rights
• Commit to fostering an atmosphere of respectful debate, rather than demonising as transphobic those who wish to discuss or dissent from Stonewall’s current policies

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/3384045-Petition-to-Stonewall

stonewall ignored, no platformed, no debated. They deserve to be in crisis.

"cutted up pear" had me screaming.

First time I've heard, though I see the phrase has a proud Mumsnet heritage!

www.mumsnet.com/talk/mumsnet_classics/1301196-If-my-3yo-had-access-to-AIBU

This. And any remaining funds should be gifted to help the victims of trans medicalisation. The young people who were castrated , sterilised and maimed both physically and spiritually. A medical scandal that nobody wants to discuss.

It's great to see so many posters identifying that the trans takeover was what did for Stonewall, and LGB✂T is the only way forward.

I suppose our attitude here will be characterised as 'gloating', as was the reaction to the SC ruling. But honestly it's hard not to feel not just schadenfreude but a sense of relief that such a powerful organisation which has been misrepresenting the lesbian and gay community for so long, and exerting such worrying power over public life, is on its way out.

It has been ..what's the word I'm looking for? upsetting isn't too strong a word - to see an organisation that I supported, and that did great work for people like me, turn on us and force the terms 'lesbian and gay' into a dishonest, damaging, irrational and divisive entity called LGBTQ++.

It has been upsetting to see the rainbow flag, and its variants, dragged through the mud of public disdain when once, at a time when it was dangerous to show it, it was a bright spark showing support for lesbian and gay people in dark times.

Hey Stonewall - Go on now go, walk out the door, just turn around now
'Cause you're not welcome anymore

However you feel about Stonewall, we need a conversation about the state of the biggest charity defending LGBT people.

Reading something like that after all the years of no debate, getting women fired and arrested and helping to make almost the entire country scared to speak, I don't think folding is good enough.

They need to be sued, dragged into court, held accountable, and punished.

Not only is that statement fury inducing, people genuinely need to see how this process was even possible?

How did grown people, commanding the attention of the entire government, successive governments in fact, manage to promote an organisation, which was in dangerous breach of the law, whose ethos was completely self-contradictory, who financed themselves by running a racket?

I'm in a few journo/PR groups and there's a noisy minority trying to get people to play the tiny violins for men in dresses, including one PR who I saw pitching with the claim that they had people willing to speak and say "most lesbians don't support this" and lo and behold, they represented a group of TRAs.
This SC ruling has really brought out how misogynistic some journos are (again).

I have zero sympathy for all the men who pushed this damaging gender ideology onto women and children.

Whether politicians or lobbyists. I hope they do lose their jobs.

They've been in crisis for a long time. They've only realised it now.

I am deeply sorry for what happened in Stonewall. They took their amazing activism and their history and their acheivements that earned them such respect and they wasted them and threw them away,

Best news since the SCJ.

They gaslight, lied, shouted NO DEBATE and TRANSPHOBIA to anyone disagreeing with them. It’s no way to run any organisation never mind a charity.

Wasn’t it Julie Bindel who warned them if they followed added Trans to the LGB, there would be all hell to pay? Whoever it was they were right.

Plus I’m not sure why they aren’t being sued by all the organisations they have given incorrect legal advice to.

The cluttered mis-shapen Stonewall juggernaut is hopefully steering itself into the scrapheap.

It has mutated into a thing that could not survive.

I feel that LGBA will evolve into the space previously occupied by Stonewall. Sensible, focussed and clear.

This also leaves room for a reasonable, moderate new organisation for trans people that recognises how complex this is and how, say, the middle aged straight man with a fetish is not the same as the confused thirteen year old autistic lesbian.

That maybe even recognises that the best service that can be offered is expert, compassionate psychiatric care, informed in trauma, neurodivergence, sexuality, CSA etc.

And recognises that a person with a difference in sex development is different again, and has different needs.

An organisation just can't do everything and do it well.

RSPB doesn't do lifeboats.
RNLI doesn't do heart disease.
BHF doesn't do cats protection.

It's not exclusionary; it's focussed.

Stonewall went from seeking acceptance through understanding to authoritarian demanding people bend the knee.

Stonewall isn't Stonewall any more.
Stonewall has answered the Ship of Theseus paradox, or Trigger's Broom paradox if you live in the East End of London.

Many new groups have sprung up to fill the void that Stonewall's withering has left behind. The sooner Stonewall closes down and lets others carry the torch of Stonewall's original values the better. Stonewall is just a parasite upon the public purse at this point.

God, it's so snort worthy. We'll give you advice and also advise you not to listen to it 🤣

Oh please, Brendan O'Neill, please, please, write an article about this

That's what they have turned into. How can you possibly advocate for same sex attracted people ( who know what sex they are and are perfectly happy to be that sex, and love people who are the same sex as them-the definition of homosexual) when you are saying that on the other hand, sex doesn't matter and being on the same side as the type of people who say 'Soon there will be no gay children' when they are working for the Tavistock? Or say that Iran is a bastion of trans rights when they stone gay people to death and are effectively engaging in state sponsored Gay conversion therapy?

Stonewall created the climate in which distortions, misrepresentations and false narratives were peddled, which then went on to shape a kind of totalitarian ideology.

People were continually told that their 'rights' were under threat....and this has created a very fragile mentality, in which people feel their very existence is on the line - if the public doesn't affirm their delusion of having been born in the 'wrong body'.

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This in a nutshell.

I don't think of them as an organisation that's changed tack, Rather one that's been completely taken over and disembowelled, with nothing left of the original.

No person who advocates for homosexuality (particularly lesbians) would fail to see the contradiction in simultaneously advocating for trans ideology.

it's like having an organisation called Save the Elephant / Get Your Cheap Ivory Here.

It definitely needs to go.

If I was them, I might have considered rebranding myself as purely trans, but, who the fuck's going listen to them now?

I mean who makes their USP trans advice, whilst simultaneously, claiming that it's probably illegal! In massive capital letters 😁

The incoherence of stonewall is so striking, you have to wonder how they interact with each other internally. I'm guessing most of the adults have left the building, and it's being run by clueless kids.

Stonewall a fine example of the 'Ratner' effect. When you choose to slag off and alienate a big section your own client base look what happens. And that's before we even delve into the years of misinterpretation of the law they spread.

Stonewall prioritised trans rights over gay rights. When you have trans identified men claiming to be lesbians it's impossible for a single charity to stand up for both trans and gay rights. Given the path Stonewall has chosen they should drop their pretence that they support gay people, and become a charity that has the sole purpose of supporting trans people. I wouldn't be sorry to see Stonewall vanish forever, given the hurt they have caused gay people and women.