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Women's rights general conversations - Thread 10

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Kucinghitam · 10/04/2025 11:08

Continuation of Thread 9.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9 | Mumsnet

Continuation of Thread 8. There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5132652-womens-rights-general-conversations-thread-9?

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TwoLoonsAndASprout · 12/11/2025 12:44

Kucinghitam · 12/11/2025 12:37

Thing is this isn't the team page within the university's website, it's their own site. (Very common in my field for teams to have their own separate website with own branding and idents, more specific information, detailed news and information). So somebody in this team must be very very keen on HEADLINE PRONOUNS.

That all feels very top down @Kucinghitam - most team-built team pages that I’ve come across are populated by the individual team members (that is, you either fill in a form and some IT bod makes the page, or you make the page yourself as an individual researcher, following a template).

Have you worked with any of them before? Worked with anyone who has? If you really want the job I would feel things out very carefully before going ahead. If you don’t mind either way about the job I would (personally) run a mile. Because even if this is only one person saying what everyone else must say, how much sway must that one person have over how the team presents itself - and possibly its research?

eta - words for clarity

Kucinghitam · 12/11/2025 12:37

Thing is this isn't the team page within the university's website, it's their own site. (Very common in my field for teams to have their own separate website with own branding and idents, more specific information, detailed news and information). So somebody in this team must be very very keen on HEADLINE PRONOUNS.

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Kucinghitam · 12/11/2025 12:23

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 12/11/2025 12:17

When my brother was in a show the theatre company put the cast's pronouns on the show's page, without asking them. He hated it but didn't say anything.

Might that have happened here? I suppose there's no way to find out?

It's possible. That happened to DH during a major inter-institution online meeting back in COVID days: he deliberately didn't fill in the pronoun field, so the BeKind administrator took it upon herself to assume his gender. The result was to rather starkly illustrate the predominance of middle-aged men in senior academia - a whole tessellated screen of he/hims.

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Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 12/11/2025 12:17

When my brother was in a show the theatre company put the cast's pronouns on the show's page, without asking them. He hated it but didn't say anything.

Might that have happened here? I suppose there's no way to find out?

Kucinghitam · 12/11/2025 11:53

moto748e · 12/11/2025 11:39

That's academia for you. Would there be any jobs out there that don't do this?

It's far from ubiquitous in the science faculties. The team I currently work in doesn't have any time for this stuff. The other teams we share a lab with also don't have this as a blanket policy - a couple of the younger staff members have pronouns in signature, but the vast majority do not. Further afield, I know some academics who are fully aboard the Righteous train. But this is the first team website I've ever seen where everybody has pronouns in their headline.

To be clear, I don't care if everybody else wants to signal their belonging to TRSOH. I'm more concerned about how such a team would respond to those who won't comply with the genuflections and catechisms, because we've seen how TRSOH aren't very accepting, inclusive and "kind" to non-believers.

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moto748e · 12/11/2025 11:39

That's academia for you. Would there be any jobs out there that don't do this?

Kucinghitam · 12/11/2025 11:17

Random thought for the day.

I've applied for a new job (academia) and gone to look at the team website, to find that everybody on the People page is introduced thusly:

Title FirstName Surname (PRONOUN/PRONOUN)
Photo
Blurb

This is in a science faculty. These are scientists of good reputation. That they have all gone along with this must mean that either they're all True Believers or that somebody on the team is such a True Believer that it's impossible not to comply.

I'm now wondering whether I should withdraw my application, or whether that is an overreaction. If I were to get this job, would I be neck-deep in doo-doo when I am asked for my PRONOUNS on my profile and politely decline to partake?

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SinnerBoy · 12/11/2025 05:58

Hello Bignose, long time no see. Do you still haunt The Other Place?

Kucinghitam · 11/11/2025 17:28

FlowerUser · 11/11/2025 16:44

What is the Lair?

It's a long story, but several years ago, several of us got effectively kicked out from another forum for not believing that men can become women. So when we first moved over to MN, feeling somewhat lost and bewildered, we started a lifeboat thread to get our bearings.

We've mostly been absorbed into wider MN (and have mostly namechanged out of all recognition), but the thread lives on as the Lair - as Bez says, it's just random chitchat usually kept fairly light and apolitical but not always, we've had some very sad and heavy times. Everyone welcome who just wants to shoot the breeze about anything, feel free to pop in!

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BezMills · 11/11/2025 16:59

FlowerUser · 11/11/2025 16:44

What is the Lair?

A wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Well that and a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.

Yeah nah jokes, just a bunch of folk who know each other from a different forum chatting nonsense

FlowerUser · 11/11/2025 16:44

Kucinghitam · 11/11/2025 14:53

What is the Lair?

Kucinghitam · 11/11/2025 15:18

Although there's no shortage of slippery, performative, it's-so-complicated, word-salad-tossing, pseudo-intellectual, knob-polishing, self-pleasuring space-invaders on FWR.

Hey ho.

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NoBinturongsHereMate · 11/11/2025 15:06

That certainly reminds me of a not-at-all-missed poster (or several), BNBN.

Top Hat Reaction GIF
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BezMills · 11/11/2025 14:50

Plz to be sharing link to the lair plz and thanks

Don't miss the other place, but I miss what it was in the noughties

Kucinghitam · 11/11/2025 14:48

Here's a More or Less podcast I heard recently about the persistently inequitable housework burden.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/more-or-less/id267300884?i=1000733333521

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Kucinghitam · 11/11/2025 14:46

So familiar @bignosebignose! (Feel free to pop over to the Lair as well, for general chit-chat).

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Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 11/11/2025 14:29

Sorry to say that's very familiar, BNBN!

Thank fuck we left and came here instead.

bignosebignose · 11/11/2025 13:44

Posted without comment, just caught my eye. JTT exiles might recognise this sort of character.

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 10
bignosebignose · 11/11/2025 13:40

Posted without comment, just caught my eye. JTT exiles might recognise this sort of character.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 11/11/2025 10:49

What a depressing read. Women so threatened that they feel they have no choice but to leave public life. Try 'growing a thicker skin' when people - men - are threatening to kill you? I think not.

lcakethereforeIam · 10/11/2025 13:48

I remember a series of ads for Shreddies. I think the tag line was 'knitted by Nanas'. There was one that featured the boss, a man! Really annoyed me.