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AIBU or did this guy overreact to our dog approaching him?

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MrsH1992 · 05/10/2023 21:04

So we were walking our doodle on the beach who's about a year old and 4kg. Most the beach is no-dogs allowed in summer but this is the only bit they are allowed on. She's usually really good but sometimes has bad recall if she sees someone she knows. There was a guy in a red coat who I think she mistook for my dad as he has a similar coat/ build and she ran over to him and put her front paws up on his knees. We were running after her apologising when the guy tries to repeatedly stomp and kick her. She ran back to me terrified. This guy is now screaming at us and swearing really badly. He has a little kid with him (maybe three) so we say sorry but he needs to calm down. He then threatened us and was trying to square up to my husband. We're just trying to get round him but he's blocking our way (we need to continue along the shore line to get back to our car). In the end we get past but I was on the verge of calling the police.

So I know some people really don't like dogs and we should have her under control but it was the dog section of the beach plus she's tiny. I think he massively overreacted and shouldn't come to the dog beach if he feels that strongly and is liable to loose his temper like that. AIBU?

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letsgettowork · 10/10/2023 21:35

100% recall means just that and isn’t what your dog had. If you knew your dog wasn’t 100% with people they knew, I’m surprised the possibility of this situation hadn’t crossed your mind before, i.e. your dog mistaking a stranger for a familiar person.

I adore dogs but I do get a bit frowny at owners who let their dogs run amok and try and make excuses for it. I put masses of recall training into mine and still will recall and lead in good time whenever I catch sight of another dog / person as I cannot put our wants above whatever scenario relates to them such as, having an anxious dog of their own, being fearful of dogs etc.

I’ve also only had bad experiences so far with small dogs like poodles and dachshunds so one approaching me would make me wary, even worse when the owner subscribes to the, pick it up and feed it’s small dog ego school, ha. Anyway, I think you were both BU, his reaction from your description was way over the top but at the same time, shouldn’t have been allowed to happen.

69Pineapples69 · 10/10/2023 21:42

You're both out of order

Mydogmybestfriend · 10/10/2023 22:29

Yanbu it's HIS problem if he fears dogs. Dogs are allowed in this country and that's that.
Plus he went to the dog side of the beach.

Don't like dogs don't go were dogs are allowed it really is common sense

Surprised he squared up to your husband though usually people like him just like to bully women alone with their dogs

Mydogmybestfriend · 10/10/2023 22:31

Op ignore the replies who cares if your dog doesn't have recall unless your dog is biting people ...dogs ARE ALLOWED off the lead in this country
If people don't like it they can move to another country simple

Hope your baby is okay

letsgettowork · 10/10/2023 22:43

^ Got to be a fake post to encourage biting (ha).
Ill give one - dogs are allowed off the lead under control. They aren’t allowed to just roam about doing as they please as just putting fear into someone is an offence. Look up public space protection orders.

Plus a person being approached by a strange dog doesn’t know their history or whether they might bite them. Similarly, a person who sees a dog respectfully as an unpredictable animal, even in the best of natures, and doesn’t treat them like a child, as an influx of ‘new’ style dog owners seem to, would understand you can’t foresee or predict every second of a dog’s behaviour.

TwilightBee · 10/10/2023 22:54

Doesn’t add up to me. Your dog jumped on him and ran back to you immediately, you were only 4 metres away, yet in that small distance this man is attempting to kick and stomp your dog?

emmafenella · 11/10/2023 01:09

This! Our dog is so reactive (all fear based) and then when other dogs come bounding over and we get the whole “oh don’t worry, she’s friendly” it really pisses me off! And then we’re the ones who are looked at as though we’re the problem… when in fact my dog is on a lead and listening to our training right up until your dog make a beeline, triggers my dog and inevitably makes him look like a nutcase. Zero awareness, consideration nor responsibility. Not sure if you can tell… but it makes me very angry 😂

m00rfarm · 11/10/2023 01:33

You were out of order. He was angry or scared. You’re dog was out of control. You instigated the issue. And then YOU told him to calm down!!! Never in the history of the world has anyone calmed down by being told to calm down. It was your fault and then you subsequently handled it badly.

LizzieW1969 · 11/10/2023 07:31

I think the OP has left the thread, you’re probably all continuing to berate her in vain.

rwalker · 11/10/2023 07:48

Mydogmybestfriend · 10/10/2023 22:29

Yanbu it's HIS problem if he fears dogs. Dogs are allowed in this country and that's that.
Plus he went to the dog side of the beach.

Don't like dogs don't go were dogs are allowed it really is common sense

Surprised he squared up to your husband though usually people like him just like to bully women alone with their dogs

It not the fact it’s off the lead its approaching people that is the issue

any dog the comes too close to me get launched there’s just no need
can’t for the life of me see what’s so unreasonable about not wanting interaction with uncontrolled dogs

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 11/10/2023 07:48

Bingbangboo64 · 10/10/2023 07:53

You think barely a puppy cant do any damage if they sink their teeth into childs face?

my uncle got blinded- by a chicken. He is a farmer and happened to have near a chicken as he had since he was a child 1000s of times before,all it took was one wrong random peck in his eye.

Her dog wasn’t running around savaging people though. What happened to your uncle was awful, but it was a freak accident and totally irrelevant to this situation.

lets not forget that a puppy, which showed no aggression, tapped a fully grown adult on the leg. Let’s not get carried away here.

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 11/10/2023 07:52

MasterBeth · 10/10/2023 11:07

I have not defended the man. The man behaved appallingly.

However, saying the dog (or, more correctly, the dog owner) had a "slight lapse in behaviour" is minimising what happened. What might seem nothing to someone who likes dogs can be anywhere from annoying to inconvenient (muddy paws) to painful to dangerous to terrifying. You don't know how people around you will react to your dog, so the only reasonable behaviour is to not let your dog jump at/run towards/paw at people. If you can't manage that, don't have a dog.

I’m minimising nothing. It was a non event. A friendly puppy tapped a fully grown adult on the leg. Let’s not start pretending it would have been anything more than a slight annoyance to most people. If the man was so afraid of dogs that he knew he would become aggressive and reactive if one came near him he probably should have stuck to the part of the beach where dogs can’t go rather than knowingly risk becoming aggressive towards other beach users.

dogs were allowed off the lead on the beach.

Saschka · 11/10/2023 08:18

Motnight · 05/10/2023 22:16

A 4kg dog must be tiny. My small, aging cat is just under 4kg.

Or OP has posted so many goady threads in the last 12 hours that she didn’t have time to properly research the weight of a labradoodle (more like 40kg).

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 11/10/2023 08:31

Saschka · 11/10/2023 08:18

Or OP has posted so many goady threads in the last 12 hours that she didn’t have time to properly research the weight of a labradoodle (more like 40kg).

thats very true that the average labradoodle is much bigger. The only thing is that the OPs dog wasn’t a labradoodle. Sooo…

Saschka · 11/10/2023 08:50

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 11/10/2023 08:31

thats very true that the average labradoodle is much bigger. The only thing is that the OPs dog wasn’t a labradoodle. Sooo…

She says in her OP that it is, and then changes breed to a totally different dog when people point out she has the weight wrong 🤷‍♀️

Mischance · 11/10/2023 09:05

She says in her OP that it is, and then changes breed to a totally different dog when people point out she has the weight wrong - so now we are not just required to put up with the "attentions" of other peoples' dogs, but to become expert on dog breeds/weights as well!

There is a simple principle here - dog owners should do whatever allows people to go about their daily business safely and comfortably and unmolested. End of.

Their dog as no rights ... people do.

Islandgirl68 · 11/10/2023 09:33

How are theynot responsible

Bingbangboo64 · 11/10/2023 10:21

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 11/10/2023 07:48

Her dog wasn’t running around savaging people though. What happened to your uncle was awful, but it was a freak accident and totally irrelevant to this situation.

lets not forget that a puppy, which showed no aggression, tapped a fully grown adult on the leg. Let’s not get carried away here.

Puppy might very quickly show agression if a child would have reached to tug on its ear or tail or be caught off guard- freak accidents happen with dogs too,even with family members and their dogd- not everyone likes or has to like dogs around them,regardless how friendly they are.

Imo its time to make it a law for all the dogs to be on leashes in the public, the amount of dog owners who are responsible is becoming a minority.

MasterBeth · 11/10/2023 10:31

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 11/10/2023 07:52

I’m minimising nothing. It was a non event. A friendly puppy tapped a fully grown adult on the leg. Let’s not start pretending it would have been anything more than a slight annoyance to most people. If the man was so afraid of dogs that he knew he would become aggressive and reactive if one came near him he probably should have stuck to the part of the beach where dogs can’t go rather than knowingly risk becoming aggressive towards other beach users.

dogs were allowed off the lead on the beach.

If a dog jumps at me, yapping and pawing my leg, I have no idea if it's being aggressve or playful. I don't know what it's going to do next.

It's not up to a dog owner to decide how annoyed, scared or inconvenienced someone that their dog is bothering is. Keep your dogs to yourself. You have no idea how vulnerable someone is to some random dog running up to them and jumping on them.

jazzyfips · 11/10/2023 12:32

Loloj · 09/10/2023 21:38

YANBU!!!

I can not believe some of the utterly ridiculous comments on this thread - twisting everything OP has said and even saying they are lying about the weight of the dog - wtf!

4kg is perfectly normal for poodle mix - depending on the mix and and size of poodle.

If you live near a beach they often have sections where dogs are allowed - both off and on lead. Dogs are let off their leads in these areas - and yes whilst dogs should only be let off lead once they have good recall they have to learn - and the only way to really learn is by practicing. So at times you may come across dogs who haven’t fully mastered the skill.

If you are a person scared of dogs (so much so that you risk lashing out kicking and stomping at a defenceless puppy) then I wouldn’t suggest venturing on the “dog section” of the beach.

YANBU

Utter nonsense. I have dogs and I don’t expect the general public to be part of their training. When teaching recall, I do it in safe places. Any dog that thumps up at a person is out of control irrespective of the size. Small dogs tend not to be trained as well as owner think they don’t pose a risk and can’t be bothered to put in the time. Lazy owners leads to out of control dogs.

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 11/10/2023 12:45

MasterBeth · 11/10/2023 10:31

If a dog jumps at me, yapping and pawing my leg, I have no idea if it's being aggressve or playful. I don't know what it's going to do next.

It's not up to a dog owner to decide how annoyed, scared or inconvenienced someone that their dog is bothering is. Keep your dogs to yourself. You have no idea how vulnerable someone is to some random dog running up to them and jumping on them.

You imagined the yapping part. OP said it put its front paws on it leg. Not pawing, not tapping or calling or whatever over dramatising people seem to be making up.

the man’s allowed to be annoyed. Dogs can be annoying. Has had the right to ask her to keep her dog away from him and the OP should respect that. He should not be aggressive and square up to her husband. That sort of OTT frightening behaviour will do the situation no good at all. The man was being unreasonable in his reaction. The question was, was the man being unreasonable. The answer is yes.

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 11/10/2023 12:46

Sorry. Pawing, yapping and clawing. Stupid auto correct.

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 11/10/2023 12:57

Bingbangboo64 · 11/10/2023 10:21

Puppy might very quickly show agression if a child would have reached to tug on its ear or tail or be caught off guard- freak accidents happen with dogs too,even with family members and their dogd- not everyone likes or has to like dogs around them,regardless how friendly they are.

Imo its time to make it a law for all the dogs to be on leashes in the public, the amount of dog owners who are responsible is becoming a minority.

on lead walks don’t give many dogs the stimulation they need to have a decent quality of life. People who think all dogs need to be on leads at all
times don’t have much of an understanding of many dog breeds. My dog would be depressed if she had to be walked on a lead at all times. She’s good, her recall is perfect and there’s no reason she can’t be off the in appropriate places.

young dogs do make mistakes while they’re learning. Most people are quite tolerant of this (except on mumsnet) but people absolutely have a right to ask people to keep their dogs away from them and this should be respected. Owners should also make every effort to not let their dogs bother people. Again most do. The drama I see on here from people in unreal.

MasterBeth · 11/10/2023 13:27

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 11/10/2023 12:45

You imagined the yapping part. OP said it put its front paws on it leg. Not pawing, not tapping or calling or whatever over dramatising people seem to be making up.

the man’s allowed to be annoyed. Dogs can be annoying. Has had the right to ask her to keep her dog away from him and the OP should respect that. He should not be aggressive and square up to her husband. That sort of OTT frightening behaviour will do the situation no good at all. The man was being unreasonable in his reaction. The question was, was the man being unreasonable. The answer is yes.

You don't seem to be great with English comprehension, so let's keep it simple.

If a dog puts its paws on someone, then it is pawing them. That is the literal definition of pawing.

When I write "if a dog jumps at me, yapping and pawing my leg" then I am indeed imagining an incident (clue: the dog jumped "at me"), but not the incident in the original post (clue: this happened to a guy in a red coat).

The man was absolutely being unreasonable in reacting as he did.

The OP was also being unreasonable in letting her dog act as it did. The man should not have to ask the OP to keep her dog away from him. Dog owners should make sure their animals don't interfere with the rest of us.

rwalker · 11/10/2023 13:33

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 11/10/2023 12:57

on lead walks don’t give many dogs the stimulation they need to have a decent quality of life. People who think all dogs need to be on leads at all
times don’t have much of an understanding of many dog breeds. My dog would be depressed if she had to be walked on a lead at all times. She’s good, her recall is perfect and there’s no reason she can’t be off the in appropriate places.

young dogs do make mistakes while they’re learning. Most people are quite tolerant of this (except on mumsnet) but people absolutely have a right to ask people to keep their dogs away from them and this should be respected. Owners should also make every effort to not let their dogs bother people. Again most do. The drama I see on here from people in unreal.

The reason people want dog on leads at all time is because they don’t want interaction with them which absolutely correct

the problem is arsehole dog o that won’t keep there dogs away from people

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