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To ask how responsible dog owners would react in this situation?

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Numbertwenty · 17/06/2023 07:20

We live in a terrace house, 2 up 2 down sort of size with long parallel gardens.
We have 2 toddlers. Our neighbours have 2 dogs that weigh more than my husband. Think Great Dane/mountain dog sized. Huge.
We’ve raised concerns about them before and how we worry they could jump the fence (it is low, as stipulated in the deeds).
Well last night, one jumped the fence. Luckily only DH in the garden, still nearly knocked him over.
Now we’re waiting to have the conversation with them about wtf they’re going to do about it.
I said they should be offering to pay for a more substantial fence (even though it is our fence on the deeds).

Am I also BU for thinking they’re idiots for having this type of dog in a tiny house? The wife has already been pulled over by them on their leads.

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Jojobees · 17/06/2023 07:22

I’m a responsible dog owner and my solution in that situation would be that they don’t go in the garden off lead, and one at a time to ease the risks.
Are they aggressive or just over exuberant and could be trained more appropriately?

MamaNell · 17/06/2023 07:25

Yes asking for them to add a fence and/or the dogs never being in the garden alone are good ideas.
If the garden is small a long lead (like a camping or training one) could work too

MamaNell · 17/06/2023 07:25

Yes asking for them to add a fence and/or the dogs never being in the garden alone are good ideas.
If the garden is small a long lead (like a camping or training one) could work too

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Theunamedcat · 17/06/2023 07:25

They need to put up a better fence or have them on a lead

Numbertwenty · 17/06/2023 07:29

Thanks for replies, DH doesn’t think it’s reasonable to get them to pay.

They are still very young (despite being ginormous). They do not respond when called, they are not well trained.

One barks continuously as soon as we open the back door but that’s another issue.

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QuintanaRoo · 17/06/2023 07:32

I think it’s very reasonable to tell them to pay. It’s their responsibility to keep their dog in their property and currently they’re not doing this. Remember if the dog is making you scared then they’re breaking the dangerous dogs act…..the dog doesn’t actually need to do anything to fall foul of this.

KellyanneConway · 17/06/2023 07:34

I would act by dog proofing my garden so that they couldn’t get out, whatever that may look like and I wouldn’t need someone else to tell me. What did they say to you when the dog jumped the fence? Did they apologise?

hattyhathat · 17/06/2023 07:34

They'll have to keep their dogs inside or supervised. You can't make them pay for a bigger fence if it's your fence.

SoccerStars · 17/06/2023 07:35

When you have the chat if necessary make clear to them that their dog is behaving in a way that is at odds with existing legislation about having your dog under control and could be reported to council /dog wardens etc . If they are reasonable it may not come to that but some entitled dog owners do need to hear about possible consequences before they take action.

a woman in my apartment building had her off lead dog jump up at me and scratch me in the process. She was rude when I asked her to have the dog on lead, so I just told her I’d report to the housing manager which I did. I have a feeling others reported her to because the dog no longer lives here.

GameOverBoys · 17/06/2023 07:38

Numbertwenty · 17/06/2023 07:29

Thanks for replies, DH doesn’t think it’s reasonable to get them to pay.

They are still very young (despite being ginormous). They do not respond when called, they are not well trained.

One barks continuously as soon as we open the back door but that’s another issue.

They are clearly not responsible dog owners. I wouldn’t buy a huge dog in a small house, I wouldn’t get two young dogs at the and time, I would train them. Getting a bigger fence is the least they should be doing.

Numbertwenty · 17/06/2023 07:39

The neighbour apologised (which is not like him) rushed the dogs inside and shut the door. We heard him shouting and swearing to his partner.
Before these dogs, they had a pair of lovely medium sized dogs. I think they’ve bit of more they can chew with these.
Didn’t know about the dangerous dogs act covering this sort of thing. They do absolutely terrify me and I like dogs.

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Tygertiger · 17/06/2023 07:40

My dog is an escape artist and has broken out of my back garden a couple of times (he’s much smaller, but that’s still not acceptable). Our response has been to feel mortified and put better fences up. I would think I was being very unreasonable not to do this. The only alternative would be for the dogs to always be on lead. I prefer my dog to be able to run round my garden, but then the onus is on me to have proper fences.

whowhatwerewhy · 17/06/2023 07:45

I would have to put extra fencing up to keep my dogs in , it's my responsibility to keep my dogs In ( and safe )

LizzieSiddal · 17/06/2023 07:45

I do sympathise but if this was me and I was worried about my Dc, I’d put in the fence myself. You’ll never forgive yourself if one of these dogs hurts your child.

Numbertwenty · 17/06/2023 07:48

The cherry on the top is the fact, as it’s a Victorian property, all houses in the terrace have access across the gardens (typically just used for bins) but they do not ever use their front door and make every trip through our garden.
So if I’m out there with DDs I have to move them away from the path and dogs.
We obviously knew this buying the property but have noticed the house the other side of them now keep their bins at the front to avoid having to walk through the dog neighbour’s garden!

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SoccerStars · 17/06/2023 07:51

I think it’s the responsibility of the dog owners to find a solution and quickly. Not everyone who lives near out of control dogs can afford to dog proof their garden so I feel it sets a bad precedent for dog owners expecting others will work around them at their financial cost.

A responsible dog owner will definitely do the right thing so hopefully they will act swiftly, but you may want to keep your kids out the garden unless supervised until then.

The law states all breeds of dogs need to be kept under control. The onus is on the dog owner.

https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public

Controlling your dog in public

You can be fined if your dog is out of control in public - find out about Dog Control Orders, banned dogs, dog fouling and reporting a dangerous dog

https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public

Bluebells1970 · 17/06/2023 07:56

Can you add trellis to the existing fence?

Talk to your local dog warden if you have one.

Numbertwenty · 17/06/2023 07:59

Trellis would be the only option we could afford though it would look awful and probably not last.
Really helpful link, I’d love to present them with all of those facts but hope it won’t come to that as we generally have a good relationship.

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rookiemere · 17/06/2023 08:01

I would be very calm when talking to them.

Focus purely on what you expect to happen which is higher fence and/or dogs not let out alone. Don't discuss lack of training or whatever, if they start talking about it keep to your objective- to be safe in your own garden. How they choose to achieve that is up to them.

If they are being less than forthcoming I would say that next time you'll phone the dog warden or police - not sure exactly who you would phone in those circumstances but I'm sure you've a right to enjoy your own garden without trespass.

SpringleDingle · 17/06/2023 08:02

If it was my dog I’d immediately look to put a higher fence in and keep dogs on leads or out of the garden until it’s done.

The barking is solved by bringing the dog in every time he barks. Mine used to bark at next door because he could see her over the low fence (previous house had a 6ft fence so no line of sight) but it didn’t last long because I stopped him every single time.

rookiemere · 17/06/2023 08:03

I don't think you should pay for a trellis. They caused the problem, they should solve it. Their other free option is to only let the dogs out on a lead attended at all times in the back garden.

bozzabollix · 17/06/2023 08:13

Think maybe a conversation with the neighbour in a pleasant manner might be the way forward. Just ask what they think the solution is?

Also if the dogs are great Dane’s and mountain varieties they are very gentle breeds, yes they’re young so probably a bit daft but if those breeds they’re very unlikely to be nasty. Maybe actually meeting them properly might be an idea? You’re obviously scared but thats often because it’s the unknown. I met an enormous dog the other day that frankly looked very scary but it turned out he was so chilled out and pleasant, I’d rather have one of those land on from me next door than a small aggressive dog.

This has reminded me of our situation. We’ve got a large garden that backs onto several other houses and there is a big gap in the fence belonging to our neighbour. We’ve offered to pay for it to be done to keep our dog in, the neighbour has refused so our dog goes barging in there. He lost his dog a year ago so we can only assume he likes her going in! Wish we could mend it. We should swap him with you who’d be only too happy!

aSpanielintheworks · 17/06/2023 08:28

If it was me I'd have a really polite conversation and ask them their thoughts, as obviously the dogs being able to jump the fence posed a danger to your young children and means you have to carefully condider times you are able to use your own garden. If the dogs have already jumped, they will be fully aware of the problem. It's easier now than the 'what might happen if they jump' scenario.
If I was the dog owner (and I do have a loopy Spaniel!) it would mean a camping style longline that screws into the ground while I looked for a more permanent solution. I like the trellis idea, especially if you or they grow something up it, it doesn't have to be unsightly or particularly strong, a visual barrier will be enough to stop a dog attempting to jump.
I would, as a dog owner, expect it to be my responsibility to keep my dogs under control no matter who's fence it is.

DisplayPurposesOnly · 17/06/2023 08:37

It's your fence, it's up to you to install a higher one if that's what you want.

What a responsible dog owner should do about large dogs is a different question.