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Spectator article: Aimee Challenor and the danger of transgender politics

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TimeLady Thu 30-Aug-18 20:33:55

Not by our friend James this time. Thank you, Melanie .

Also mentions Bradley, Madigan and self IDing prisoners

I despair at the comments below the line

SonicVersusGynaephobia Thu 30-Aug-18 20:36:59

I don't think Aimee's name was Ashley.

Still reading.

Ereshkigal Thu 30-Aug-18 20:37:52

I think it's a similar name but not quite.

TimeLady Thu 30-Aug-18 20:38:55

Yes, I noted that too.

Wanderabout Thu 30-Aug-18 20:39:23

I wonder who that cabinet minister was. And why they are trying to advance Self-ID.

Wanderabout Thu 30-Aug-18 20:39:37


SonicVersusGynaephobia Thu 30-Aug-18 20:42:45

"Once Aimee had decided on the dress and female identity, his trajectory into the contemporary establishment – the Greens, Stonewall, the Pride movement and the embrace of the Guardian – was swift and unproblematic. The notion of scrutinising his behaviour towards actual women, let alone his background, was out of bounds. So, while the Greens have disciplined a party activist, Olivia Palmer, for allegedly heckling a trans woman on television, they’ve been oddly equivocal about Aimee."

I liked this part. Glad they are making a point about the double standards.

Ereshkigal Thu 30-Aug-18 20:43:12

Apart from the changing pronouns and the need to get the correct name of Aimee's blocklist, what a good article.

AncientLights Thu 30-Aug-18 20:43:56

She refuses to call Challenor , Bradley and Madigan 'she'. flowers <fist bump>

hackmum Thu 30-Aug-18 20:46:22

It seems to finish a bit abruptly.

Ereshkigal Thu 30-Aug-18 20:51:40

My thoughts too, Ancient wine

carceralfeminist Thu 30-Aug-18 20:54:17

Oh... they are going to take that article DOWN for the misgendering.

2BorNot2Bvocal Thu 30-Aug-18 21:06:47

It's still there for the reading.

Wanderabout Thu 30-Aug-18 21:09:20

They won't take it down Carceral

They might change the gendering.

carceralfeminist Thu 30-Aug-18 21:18:05

You're probably right Wanderabout
It's certainly a very different pronoun approach than other journalists have used...
I wonder what the response will be.

LemonJello Thu 30-Aug-18 21:19:21

Heavens! Think that’s the first time I’ve seen Jess Bradley and Lily Madigan called ‘he’ by MSM! You’re a brave woman Melanie!

Wanderabout Thu 30-Aug-18 21:21:19

Will be interesting to see.

thebewilderness Thu 30-Aug-18 21:22:06

Ashton is Challanor Juniors birth name

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Thu 30-Aug-18 21:22:36

That's a very heartening article. It's nice to see someone else sticking their head above the parapet.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Thu 30-Aug-18 21:24:31

She wrote this too (paywall)

shakeyourcaboose Thu 30-Aug-18 21:27:25

Off topic but wanted to bring attention to a post on site stuff where HQ are giving access to unnamed academics from unnamed university for unnamed research to collate information on how MN users post ....(tinfoil hat at the ready!)

shakeyourcaboose Thu 30-Aug-18 21:27:57

thecatfromjapan Thu 30-Aug-18 21:29:20

Every time I see a MSM commentator speaking up, I feel like covering my house in bunting.

Charliethefeminist Thu 30-Aug-18 21:40:10

Thank you Melanie I love you muchly starflowers

HavingALittleBabyToolshed Thu 30-Aug-18 21:50:44

Her choice of wording is very interesting.
Where did someon see that she was being made to change the pronouns?

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