New hire will earn more?

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New hire will get paid more than me (it got mentioned by accident at a meeting).

I've been at the company for 14 months and just found out salary negotiations are based on ...negotiations. Not skills, experience or qualifications.

I am the most experienced in the team and work really hard with added responsibilities. Other members of the team (newer than me) are problematic, not well liked at all. Now a new hire coming definitely with less experience and less qualifications...I will be her mentor.

Basically, because she already earns what I do, they'll offer her more. This means the other members of the team could also be on more money.

This came as shock to me because I give my all and they see me as someone they can count on unlike the others.

I don't want to ask for a pay rise as the company is very reluctant to give these, you'd need to beg, it's humiliating. I just feel undervalued and insulted. I just want to leave and become a new hire as well somewhere else and negotiate a better salary.

I'm angry and will quit all added responsibilities (no extra pay) I've been given until I find a new job.

How do you know for sure?

First take a deep breath. Then email your manager requesting a meeting. Explain clearly and calmly that you feel undervalued and underpaid. You want a your salary reviewed. IRS not begging its business. If they can’t help you, then you look elsewhere.

I think you need to re-negotiate I’d not be happy mentoring a new hire on more money than me
I work in the nhs it’s all done on standard pay scales but if it wasn’t I’d be fuming 😤

Nobody has done anything wrong here. You need to fight for a pay rise yourself.

The obly sensible thing to do is to ask for a salary review (or whatever it is called in your company). It isn't begging and it should not be humiliating either.
Don't mention the new hire or their alleged salary.
Make your own case on your own merits.

You want a pay rise? You ask for it!

"What would a man do ?"

Much better to plainly ask than to quit and reject responsibilities.

I asked once (when I found out someone else's salary). Was told they must have negotiated better than me at some time. I asked again, said that is not ok and I got £20k uplift.

"It has come to my attention that new hire has been hired on a higher rate to me despite fewer responsibilities. In light of this I feel that it would only be fair for you to reassess my pay. ....."

Yes, sorry OP but you do need to learn to negotiate. It's not begging and women are typically not as good at it!

This is ideal really. I would ask for a meeting with your line manager on Monday. Say you aren't prepared to mentor someone who is paid more than you, and that you are clearly being underpaid significantly. I would highlight things you are doing which aren't part of job description. Also the salary you could get elsewhere.

No. If the Op thinks she’s worth more, she negotiates about herself.

Not on the fact that someone else kicked ass at negotiating a better pay deal, which in itself is an impressive sign.

fair enough

so more of

"i think I am being underpaid. I do X Y and Z and feel my salay isn't commensurate with my reposonsibilities and added value" kind of thing?

even that is a bit whiny. Doesn’t actually provide any reasoning why she deserves a pay rise. Just “I think I am underpaid” so basically pay me more!! That isn’t negotiating. That’s having a tantrum

I must admit I did not negotiate. I was so happy to get the job and they were offering more than before.

Thing is...the new hire didn't even need to negotiate. She's already on what I earn so they offered more as standard.
Whether she'll negotiate even more I don't know but bottom line, it'll be more than mine either way.

I appreciate all your advice, every single one, and will reflect upon it this evening. Thank you so much xxx

You need to reframe this. You’re starting with no. Leaving and going elsewhere is absolutely an option so think through the reasons they should want you to stay.

This isn’t begging, and it doesn’t have to be humiliating. It’s just a conversation.

The trick is not to think about why you deserve more money: this isn’t about fairness, or who’s been there longest. It’s about the money you make for the company. How are you bringing value to them? The more specific you can be with your examples the better.

If you leave now, when you negotiate your next salary, your current salary will be a key determinant. Don’t just leave, without trying to get that figure up. So when you do leave, you’re in a stronger bargaining position.

You’ve got this op.

How do you know this?

and now you’re saying that even before she negotiated - the offered salary was higher than yours?

They must really want her and see a lot of promise in her

Mentoring a new hire is the perfect time to ask for a rise. Asking isn’t begging.

You won’t know unless you ask.

You didn’t negotiate. They did.

You don’t want to ask for a pay rise.

So what do you expect to happen, exactly?

Ask your employer how/why the mentor can be paid less than the mentee? It’s indefensible.

Separately, it’s normal to get a pay hike each time you change jobs. For many people this is their career plan.

Separately still, stop thinking about humiliating / begging. You’re basically saying you’re so wonderful and exceptional that the employer should notice you and give you a pay rise without you asking. That’s not how things go anymore, certainly not these days. If you don’t ask, you won’t get and I suspect the new hire has sussed this and is using it to her advantage. By all means cry about how wrong this is and it shouldn’t be this way and why should you have to change etc - none of that will put more money in your pocket.

I was a new hire that negotiated more pay and started in a team being paid more than colleagues who'd been there a couple of years.
The advert said starting pay grade was negotiable, so I negotiated!

Ask your employer how/why the mentor can be paid less than the mentee? It’s indefensible.
Of course it is not “indefensible”

The new starter could have been a real catch and the company see her as being on a leadership pathway for example.

Women typically don’t negotiate salaries and it results in underpayment. Learn not to answer what your current salary is and instead indicate what you believe the role should pay is £x. Also no matter what salary you are initially offered ask if it is possible to raise that offer or agree a performance related increase on completion of probation.

You make an appointment with HR and ask for a pay review. Tell them what you want.

That isn’t generally the process

You speak with your manager. If he/she agrees - then they progress with HR.

Hr will likely just advise the op approach her manager for a discussion