How to push for job - when somebody else is already in the role

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I have been working for my employer for 12 years and have been in my current department for 5 years. There is a management role in another department that I feel I could do much better than the current manager. I feel that customer service could be improved and I could incorporate my skill set to change the role but make it more productive. I have spoken to my manager, he has said that he agrees I would be a good person for the job and I need to "make some noise" to push for the job. How do I do this? I dont want to go down the route of pointing out every mistake that the manager makes, however, I need to show that I could do it better. Am I completely out of order for even thinking about this?

You can’t just decide you can do someone’s job better than them and steal it off them 😵

You want them to sack someone and give you their job? I'm afraid it doesn't work like that op.

Yeah, that’s pretty shitty

Why would you do this?! It's a good way to make everyone hate you.

Huh? This can't be real.

Can you make a play for a job above? Could a position be created?

What do you envisage happening to the present manager if you are given the job?

That is some terrible advice your manager has given you. Don’t listen to anything they say again.

You can’t just decide you can do someone’s job better than them and steal it off them

😂😂 absolutely! I just burst out laughing at this.

OP, wtf?!?

There is a management role in another department that I feel I could do much better than the current manager.

I mean, we've all thought this but there's nothing you can do! Maybe gently suggest to the current post-holder that you'd like a turn at doing their job (that's a joke, btw)

Am I completely out of order for even thinking about this?

Ps - yes. Yes you are.

Ok thanks for the feedback, received loud and clear.

Were you there when this person went into the role?
Did you apply at the time?

What does 'make some noise' mean? Do you mean you want their role when they move out of it, assuming you work somewhere that people move roles a lot? Would it be a promotion for you?

That’s awful! Like Sali Hughes pushing the previous beauty columnist at The Guardian.

Look elsewhere for a job that suits you.

Yeah I don't think thats how it works...

You need to ask him to clarify what he means, if you can't do this are you really up to major reforms of department you haven't even worked in.

Obviously, unless you are an arsehole, you aren't looking for them to sack the current incumbent. I guess options could be to ask to be transferred/seconded into the department and while working for current manager you can put forward your ideas, or offer your services if they have any significant projects you can assist in. This will put you in a good position if they do move on.

Remember everything appears easy to improve when looking from the outside in, the devil is in the detail.

You be better than them, become more visible to senior management, be vocal with your ideas, drive & essentially do the job so its clear you would be better in the position. the rest is down to management recognising it and deciding if they want changes but thats the best you can do.

The only way I can see you pulling this off is if the other manager would be interested in a job swap with you.

Make some noise ? How ? Walk around singing ’Simply The Best’ ?

I had this happen and when I realised this woman had her eye on my job I let her know she was seriously out of line.

FossilisedFanny

And your manager is just as bad or worse. You do not discuss the performance of a colleague with a member of staff.

Is there more to the story OP?

I can think of many many people I’ve worked with who I KNOW I can do a better job than, doesn’t mean I start pushing them out to get the role!

You may be a great candidate for the job but i suspect you would lose all respect by pushing your way into the role OP.

How do I do this? I dont want to go down the route of pointing out every mistake that the manager makes, however, I need to show that I could do it better. Am I completely out of order for even thinking about this?

Erm you could find yourself facing disciplinary rather than promotion with this course of action.

If the manager is really poor in a way that's impacting on you, then you can discuss the impact on you with somebody senior. Otherwise, please do not start bullying some poor person because you feel you'd be better at their job