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Urgent - consultation on wedding law.  Deadline 24th Sept

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Imnobody4 · 15/09/2026 11:04

Urgent - consultation on wedding law. Deadline 24th Sept
Tying the Knot: Reforming weddings law in England and Wales - GOV.UK https://share.google/SeO0cPv8gRoNE7nVJ
This consultation seeks views on reforming weddings law in England and Wales. It follows the Law Commission’s 2022 report, Celebrating Marriage: A New Weddings Law, and the government’s announcement in October 2025 of its intention to reform the law when parliamentary time allows.The framework governing weddings law dates back to the 18th and 19th centuries. It consists of a myriad of rules that apply inconsistently to different groups. In its 2022 report, the Law Commission concluded that the law was “inconsistent and complicated, inefficient, unfair and needlessly restrictive”.The current law creates unnecessary barriers to marriage and limits choice. While some groups can marry freely according to their traditions, others must adapt to fit a framework that does not align with their beliefs. Non-religious belief organisations, such as Humanists, cannot conduct legally binding weddings at all.To address this, the government committed in October 2025 to reform weddings law when parliamentary time allows. It also committed to reform being underpinned by two key features recommended by the Law Commission. Firstly, a move away from a system based on the building in which a wedding takes place towards one focused on the officiant responsible for the ceremony. Secondly, the introduction of universal rules applying across different types of wedding (with the exception of Anglican weddings), reducing disparities between groups.

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Imnobody4 · 15/09/2026 11:12

There are real dangers in some proposals in Weddings being conducted in homes and allowing gestures rather than clear verbal consent. I haven't had time to look at it properly but given the deadline am posting. A young woman could stand in a room in her family's home, veiled. Without a single word out of her mouth, an officiant she has never met before can decide that a gesture she makes, or perhaps does not make, means "I do." Under new government proposals, silence would be enough. She would leave that room legally married.I am not exaggerating. It is written, in plain terms, into Labour's own consultation on wedding law. Who decides what her silence meant? The officiant and witnesses, as long as they "share an understanding."And it gets worse. Weddings could take place in private homes, hidden from public view. The one safeguard that can expose a forced marriage, a bride's own audible voice in front of witnesses, disappears.The Government's own paper uses the example of the Islamic Nikah. It admits that letting these weddings happen in private homes, hidden from public view, "could make it harder to identify forced, predatory, sham marriages or wider abuse."
They know this. Yet they are proposing it anyway.

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StSpiridian · 15/09/2026 11:33

Thanks for the thread. The issue above is a big area of concern - it's shocking the gov are planning changes that the gov themselves state "could make it harder to identify forced, predatory, sham marriages or wider abuse."

It's definately women and girls that will suffer, as always.

I hope mumsnetters will respond raising concerns about this- here are some links to other responses I found on a quick search online this morning, from very different (!) sources- legal & religious (Christian)- can't find any by muslim or other religious groups or womens groups made public .

https://resolution.org.uk/getting-married-a-consultation-paper-on-weddings-law-resolutions-response-to-the-law-commission/

https://www.c4m.org.uk/storage/media/58/C4M-Response-A-Fairer-End-to-Relationships.pdf

https://www.flba.co.uk/flba-responds-to-fairer-end-to-relationships-consultation/

www.christian.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/a-fairer-end-to-relationships-consultation-response-guide.pdf

Getting Married: A Consultation Paper on Weddings Law – Resolution’s response to the Law Commission

Resolution’s 6,500 members are family lawyers, mediators and other family justice professionals, committed to a non-adversarial approach to family law and the resolution of family disputes. Our response has been prepared by members of Resolution’s Coha...

https://resolution.org.uk/getting-married-a-consultation-paper-on-weddings-law-resolutions-response-to-the-law-commission/

bababamama · 15/09/2026 11:36

To marry in a civil ceremony the couple have to go to their local registry office and go in separately to complete forms. They are the ones who should be picking up on issues

bababamama · 15/09/2026 11:38

I do undertake checks myself, c of e so as long as the law continues for the council registrar to make checks it should be ok (and id be pleased if they did ours too!)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2026 12:50

This is to change the law on marriage in a civil ceremony so that independent celebrants and humanist celebrants can conduct civil weddings. I agree there are potential serious safeguarding loopholes here but I don’t think they are incapable of being resolved. The devil is in the detail.

Imnobody4 · 15/09/2026 13:05

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2026 12:50

This is to change the law on marriage in a civil ceremony so that independent celebrants and humanist celebrants can conduct civil weddings. I agree there are potential serious safeguarding loopholes here but I don’t think they are incapable of being resolved. The devil is in the detail.

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I'm astonished that they weren't resolved before the consultation.

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ArabellaScott · 15/09/2026 13:15

Unfortunately I've got quite cynical about the ability of governments to write good legislation.

thanks, OP.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2026 13:52

Imnobody4 · 15/09/2026 13:05

I'm astonished that they weren't resolved before the consultation.

Me too.

WaterThyme · 15/09/2026 14:07

When my stepdaughter and her husband got married, the humanist celebrant wanted to see the exact place it would happen to check my stepdaughter had a clear physical exit if she changed her mind. This was in Scotland, mind.

MmeGallimaufry · 15/09/2026 14:10

There's a very simple solution: change the law so that only registrars can formalise a marriage or civil partnership. These are contractual relationships and should be treated as such. The ceremony, party or whatever else is just decorative flim-flam.

NormalityIsOverrated · 15/09/2026 14:58

ArabellaScott · 15/09/2026 13:15

Unfortunately I've got quite cynical about the ability of governments to write good legislation.

thanks, OP.

Not unreasonable.
I have completed the survey responses, I hope that others will too. Otherwise the coercion and abuse of young and vulnerable women in some communities may get worse with virtually zero oversight. This tastes very bad.

MmeGallimaufry · 15/09/2026 15:23

Compare and contrast the lack of interest in girls and women being duped, coerced or misled about a marriage-like relationship with the hoohah over assisted dying. I appreciate that there are important differences, nonetheless it seems a little peculiar that our parliamentarians and media are so uninterested in the risks attached to outsourcing relationship contracts to a wide range of unregulated (or certainly under-regulated) religious, philosophical or quasi-philosophical or -religious organisations.

IwantToRetire · 15/09/2026 17:16

Thanks OP for sharing this.

Am surprised no women's groups have commentated. But maybe a bit like most of us, somehow this has just not been publicised.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 15/09/2026 17:28

I seem to recall that one of the grooming gang issues that came out recently was where a social worker attended the 'marriage' of an underage girl to one of her rapists in his home.

At least until now that wasn't actually a legal marriage.

Looks like they want to change that.

StSpiridian · 16/09/2026 12:02

I am finding the 2 marriage consultations conflicting and confusing .. if anyone has good understanding please clarify .

gov consult 1- This thread is about marriage law - gov want to make it clear that marriages must be done legally - but will recognise ceremonies where women have not clearly consented, and will make it harder to recognise forced marriage. here's the current situation for Muslims. islamicinfocenter.com/islamic-marriage-law-in-uk

gov consult 2- the 'fairer end to relationships' consultation (now closed) said basically no need to legally marry as the gov want to give cohabiting partners property ownership rights (sorry I linked some responses to that above as didn't realise there are 2 consults going on). I have mixed feelings about this due to risks for eg single mums foolish enough to move a new boyfriend in......https://www.gov.uk/government/news/millions-of-unmarried-couples-to-get-stronger-rights This 2nd consult is now ended , no results yet.

Millions of unmarried couples to get stronger rights

Overdue reforms to protect women and meet the needs of modern relationships as the government continues to prioritise tackling VAWG and working people

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/millions-of-unmarried-couples-to-get-stronger-rights

StSpiridian · 16/09/2026 12:12

I think what has confused me is struggling to see the benefits of gov plans !

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 16/09/2026 16:34

I think France has it right on this. It's a legal contract recognised and overseen by the state - therefore it is carried out by the state. Civil registration for all marriages, no exceptions, same rules for everyone. People may then add whatever religious or secular flimflam they fancy before or afterwards, but it's not part of the official marriage service.

MyrtleLion · 16/09/2026 21:23

The difficulty is that Humanists UK have been trying for years to have their ceremonies legally recognised and eventually the government was forced to agree.

The Humanists had proposed a draft Bill after years of consultations, which would allow Humanists to be married "according to their practices" as Jews and Quakers have been allowed to do for hundreds of years. Instead the government decided to allow anyone to be a celebrant and to included gestures. I think last year's consultation was about people who couldn't speak who were also excluded from getting married.

As for just having registrars do it, that would be my preferred method, like France. You get married in a boring office and then if you want a church wedding or a syanagogue or something on a beach, you do it. But trying to get the Church of England to give up its rights is impossible.

I am stunned that the government has made a pig's ear of it because it is legal in Scotland, Ireland, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. I myself conducted a legal humanist wedding in Scotland under a dispensation for Humanists UK celebrants. The couple and I signed a schedule and they sent it off and received a certificate in the post.

Imnobody4 · 17/09/2026 13:24

How does anyone really think forced marriages will be prevented given the willfull blindness of authorities. It's a betrayal of young women.

x.com/JChimirie66677/status/2100366669004603611

Children As Young As Five Are Being Promised As Brides In Britain

Ayaan Hirsi Ali's newsletter this week put a number in front of the public that deserved far more attention than it has received. Between 2021 and 2025, Britain's Forced Marriage Unit received at least 100 referrals involving children aged 12 or under. Sixty-two were 10 or younger. Twenty-seven were five or younger. These are Home Office figures, obtained through a Freedom of Information request, not campaigners' estimates.

A referral does not always mean a wedding took place. The Home Office defines it as information about an actual, potential or suspected forced marriage, and officials note that cases involving very young children often involve a promise of future marriage rather than an imminent ceremony. That caveat should not bring anyone much comfort. A promise made over a five-year-old still fixes her future before she can read, before she can choose a friend, before she has any capacity to understand what has been decided for her.

The scale runs deeper than the headline number suggests. Nine referrals in 2022 alone involved children 12 or under with no overseas element at all. No flight abroad, no wedding conducted in another country and quietly ignored on return. Arranged, and in some cases carried out, entirely on British soil. Whatever explanation is offered for this practice, distance is not one of them.

The breakdown by background, reported by GB News from Forced Marriage Unit data, shows Pakistani nationals accounting for 41 per cent of cases, Bangladeshi nationals 9 per cent, and Afghan nationals 7 per cent. Dr Taj Hargey, founder of the Oxford Institute for British Islam, has said such cases should be "condemned without fear of upsetting anyone" by Muslim communities themselves, and that such practices deserve total condemnation. A reformist Muslim academic naming the problem plainly is worth more than a dozen politicians speaking in euphemism.

Dame Jasvinder Sanghera, who fled her own forced marriage at fourteen, calls the number of very young children involved "deeply disturbing." She has also warned that many cases never reach the authorities at all, which means the true figure is almost certainly higher than what any FOI request can capture. Dr Rakib Ehsan makes the same point: most of these children never enter the system in the first place, because a referral depends on someone, a teacher, a neighbour, a relative, being willing to raise the alarm.

That willingness is precisely where the failure sits. Sanghera has specifically flagged the return to school each September as the moment a child who has quietly vanished from a classroom becomes visible again, assuming anyone is looking. A missing pupil is not a mystery. It is a data point that schools, social services and police already hold the tools to notice. What they have lacked, repeatedly, in this case as in others, is the willingness to ask an uncomfortable question about a specific community for fear of where the answer leads.

Forced marriage has been a criminal offence in Britain for over a decade. Since 2023, the law closes the previous loophole that let sixteen and seventeen year olds marry with parental consent. None of that legislation reaches a five-year-old quietly promised to a future husband inside her own home, because no ceremony has yet occurred for any law to punish. The gap between what the law criminalises and what is actually happening to these children is exactly where this practice survives.

Britain does not need a new definition of forced marriage. It needs professionals willing to ask why a child has stopped turning up, and to keep asking until they get an honest answer.

"The breakdown by background shows Pakistani nationals accounting for 41 per cent of cases, Bangladeshi nationals 9 per cent, and Afghan nationals 7 per cent."

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