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2nd reading of Assisted Dying Bill - 11 September 2026

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IwantToRetire · 04/09/2026 17:50

Write to your MP - Share the MRP polling and ask them to oppose the assisted dying Bill

Despite its many serious flaws being repeatedly exposed in the House of Lords in the previous session and the ongoing warnings of medical Royal Colleges and groups representing vulnerable people, the assisted dying Bill has been reintroduced to Parliament by Lauren Edwards MP.

Assisted death regimes across the world bring with them an inherent risk of grave harm to vulnerable women. The Other Half and other campaigners, academics and experts have highlighted this risk consistently, and it is profoundly frustrating that our concerns have so far fallen on deaf ears, with Lauren Edwards reintroducing essentially the same Bill as the one which failed to pass in the previous parliamentary session.

By introducing a virtually identical Bill, Lauren Edwards has paved the way for the Bill to pass through unamended, and for the Parliament Acts to be used in order to bypass scrutiny from the House of Lords and for the Bill to become law with its flaws intact.

Polling conducted on behalf of The Other Half has shown that the public overwhelmingly does not view this Bill as a priority for MPs, and the new Prime Minister has also been clear that addressing existing failings in palliative and social care should take precedence over any consideration of assisted dying.

There are specific dangers in the Bill, highlighted in the previous parliamentary session, which Lauren Edwards has chosen not to address: these include the removal of coronial investigation, the lack of a requirement for families to be informed about an assisted dying application, and the omission of specific protections for domestic abuse victims/survivors.

Only 12 MPs need to change their minds from how they voted in the previous parliamentary session for the new Bill to fail. We can win and make sure this Bill is thrown out, with your help.

We are asking you to write to your MP to highlight your concerns and ask them to make sure that Lauren Edwards’ new assisted dying Bill is stopped at Second Reading on 11 September.

Every vote will count, and it takes just 60 seconds to contact your MP. Please take action today.

https://www.writeonad.theotherhalf.uk/
(Not sure how effective it is to use a web generated standard letter.)

See more about The Other Half https://theotherhalf.uk/

Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill 2026-27
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-12181/

Write to your MP - Stop the new assisted dying bill

The threat of this bill and the harm it will do to vulnerable women is such that the bill must be voted down at Second Reading on 11 September. The safeguards are inadequate; the bill is not safe.

https://www.writeonad.theotherhalf.uk

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HomericEpithet · 12/09/2026 11:10

On that subject, why did the Leadbeater committee vote down an amendment that would have protected palliative care facilities from losing public funding if the facility opted-out of providing assisted suicide?

The Association for Palliative Medicine released a statement objecting to Kit Malthouse's monstrous remark, but as far as I know, the committee ignored the statement.

The APM strongly disagrees with the remarks of the Rt Hon Kit Malthouse MP, who, on 18th March 2025, in the Committee stage of this Bill, asked whether hospices should “still be able to deny what is a legal service, if they are in receipt of public funds.”

apmonline.org/wp-content/uploads/APM-Member-Communication-April-2025.pdf

HomericEpithet · 12/09/2026 11:26

LipglossAndLies · 12/09/2026 09:42

And people can be coerced now though, its just harder for people to do if be ause the methods of doing so aren't as easy, who wants to risk jumping infront of train, off a building, slashing their wrists etc.

We habe had doctors killing patients with drugs already. And we don't even have an assisted dying bill in place. All those things have already happened with all the safe guards we have in place...so now what

I don't get your point at all. I've re-read it multiple times and it still seems to be 'the world isn't perfect and bad things happen, so why bother?'.

Seriously, why is that an argument for making it easier? Gosh, the world isn't perfect and some people have been murdered, so let's throw up our hands and knowingly and deliberately make it worse by making it legal to kill a few thousand more people? How does that work?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 12/09/2026 11:30

I find the tactics of the "pro" side in the Commons to be quite analogous to #nodebate. The same refusal to even discuss compromise, the smearing of people who opposed it as 'religious fanatics' or 'happy yo watch ppl die in agony' ie bad awful ppl whose arguments should be dismissed off the bat, a refusal to acknowledge that harm could be inflicted on vulnerable ppl, an insistence that they and only they are on the RSOH

HomericEpithet · 12/09/2026 11:47

Grammarnut · 12/09/2026 09:30

And in what way is that a safeguard to someone who has been coerced? The sense of being a burden and this being the right thing to do for the best of everyone else - a particularly female attitude - could easily be enough to make a woman take the pills even if she really doesn't want to do. There is no safeguard and the sanctity of human life is thrown out of the window.
How soon before the mentally ill, the disabled, the not very bright, the homeless and the addicted are also deemed capable of deciding to die - or have someone else decide they can die? Dignity in Dying used to be the Voluntary Euthanasia Society and was linked to the Eugenics Movement that advocated the sterilisation and removal of 'useless' or 'unproductive' people. How soon before that becomes allowed if we allow this Bill?
Mercifully, the Commons voted it down. All praise to those MPs who stood up and said they had changed their minds and those who stood up for the disabled, for abused women, for the mentally unwell or with SEND.

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It's not a safeguard at all. A basic part of the job for care workers and nurses is persuading confused and scared people to take their medication. People have the legal right to decline medication, but does Nurse Smith want to deal with the paperwork when Mrs Baker's long-term medical condition avoidably deteriorates because she refused her lunchtime medication? Does she want to deal with Mrs Baker's son asking why his mother was allowed to refuse her medication? (Which is exactly how he will phrase it.)

Hell no. And that's why Nurse Smith has subconsciously developed a bedside manner on the drugs round that will have Mrs Baker picking up that pot of medication and downing it with the proffered drink without a thought.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/09/2026 12:44

Theeyeballsinthesky · 12/09/2026 11:30

I find the tactics of the "pro" side in the Commons to be quite analogous to #nodebate. The same refusal to even discuss compromise, the smearing of people who opposed it as 'religious fanatics' or 'happy yo watch ppl die in agony' ie bad awful ppl whose arguments should be dismissed off the bat, a refusal to acknowledge that harm could be inflicted on vulnerable ppl, an insistence that they and only they are on the RSOH

Edited

Yes, me too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/09/2026 12:47

Grammarnut · 12/09/2026 09:30

And in what way is that a safeguard to someone who has been coerced? The sense of being a burden and this being the right thing to do for the best of everyone else - a particularly female attitude - could easily be enough to make a woman take the pills even if she really doesn't want to do. There is no safeguard and the sanctity of human life is thrown out of the window.
How soon before the mentally ill, the disabled, the not very bright, the homeless and the addicted are also deemed capable of deciding to die - or have someone else decide they can die? Dignity in Dying used to be the Voluntary Euthanasia Society and was linked to the Eugenics Movement that advocated the sterilisation and removal of 'useless' or 'unproductive' people. How soon before that becomes allowed if we allow this Bill?
Mercifully, the Commons voted it down. All praise to those MPs who stood up and said they had changed their minds and those who stood up for the disabled, for abused women, for the mentally unwell or with SEND.

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Yes, I read a brilliant essay about the shady history (which some posters are evidently unaware of) of the assisted suicide movement in the UK. I can’t find it now! It was on one of the FWR threads.

lcakethereforeIam · 12/09/2026 13:00

I don't know if this is the same article but I read this recently in the Critic

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-dark-past-of-dignity-in-dying/

NotBadConsidering · 12/09/2026 13:18

Theeyeballsinthesky · 12/09/2026 11:30

I find the tactics of the "pro" side in the Commons to be quite analogous to #nodebate. The same refusal to even discuss compromise, the smearing of people who opposed it as 'religious fanatics' or 'happy yo watch ppl die in agony' ie bad awful ppl whose arguments should be dismissed off the bat, a refusal to acknowledge that harm could be inflicted on vulnerable ppl, an insistence that they and only they are on the RSOH

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Absolutely. And before the trans #nodebate I might have been one of those people. But it opened my eyes to the need to thinking things through properly, safeguarding the vulnerable and not allowing emotional manipulation to get in the way of such safeguarding, and how legislation can have some pretty serious consequences years later when the examples you use are how things come to pass.

LipglossAndLies · 12/09/2026 13:20

HomericEpithet · 12/09/2026 11:26

I don't get your point at all. I've re-read it multiple times and it still seems to be 'the world isn't perfect and bad things happen, so why bother?'.

Seriously, why is that an argument for making it easier? Gosh, the world isn't perfect and some people have been murdered, so let's throw up our hands and knowingly and deliberately make it worse by making it legal to kill a few thousand more people? How does that work?

My point is to those who think its safer now without the bill isn't true real. At least my choicd isn't being removed from me becuase some people think the way things are today us better and safer and people sre being coerced which simply isnt true. It happens regardless.

NotBadConsidering · 12/09/2026 13:25

LipglossAndLies · 12/09/2026 13:20

My point is to those who think its safer now without the bill isn't true real. At least my choicd isn't being removed from me becuase some people think the way things are today us better and safer and people sre being coerced which simply isnt true. It happens regardless.

So don’t you think we should stop people coercing the vulnerable into their deaths before it is made easier?! How would making this easier to do be a good thing simply because it allows you to get what you want?

HomericEpithet · 12/09/2026 13:38

Some people are dying when they shouldn't, so we should deliberately kill more people.

Well, hedgehogs are endangered, in part because drivers accidentally run them over and in part because of young sociopaths killing them deliberately in defiance of laws against animal cruelty. Seeing as we're struggling to preserve the species, why don't we go the whole hog and deliberately drive the entire species to extinction?

Same reasoning, after all.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/09/2026 14:59

lcakethereforeIam · 12/09/2026 13:00

I don't know if this is the same article but I read this recently in the Critic

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-dark-past-of-dignity-in-dying/

It’s not but covers very similar ground. This was a podcast and article.

LipglossAndLies · 12/09/2026 17:20

NotBadConsidering · 12/09/2026 13:25

So don’t you think we should stop people coercing the vulnerable into their deaths before it is made easier?! How would making this easier to do be a good thing simply because it allows you to get what you want?

Well it shouldn't be used as a reason as to why not having a bill is right. And you will never have a perfect solution, all the safeguards in place now and its not perfect is it. But taking a choice away from me, to decide on my life and my body is wrong.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 12/09/2026 17:29

do You think we should design all laws around people's personal preferences?

I'm not allowed to drive because I haven't passed my test. I know how to though and not being able to makes my life difficult. Why shouldn't I be allowed to drive anyway? Sure I might hurt some people but what about my personal preferences? A few accidents to other ppl are a price it's worth paying for my freedom right?

Awkwardisfunny · 12/09/2026 17:52

Grammarnut · 12/09/2026 09:36

So collateral damage is okay as long as you have what you want? That's actually an immoral and also evil idea. It's also not analogous in anyway to someone stealing benefits.

The collateral damage already exists - think of all the painful suicides and that ill or aged people experience torture for weeks, months, or years. Curious why you keep ignoring that.

I believe firmly that the damage will be lessened once we flip the current status quo. I.e. once we finally choose the lesser of two.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/09/2026 18:00

BenevolentHectoring · 12/09/2026 17:12

Thank you 🙏

Awkwardisfunny · 12/09/2026 18:05

NotBadConsidering · 11/09/2026 23:49

Same idea - don't leave people suffering because a few might be coerced.

I am of the view that just one case of someone being coerced would indicate it isn’t an appropriate system. It’s the same reason I don’t support the death penalty, because just one case of someone innocent being killed by the state indicates it isn’t an appropriate system. I find it concerning that people are willing to accept coerced deaths as just a necessary by product of an assisted dying bill.

“So what if some people who don’t want to die are effectively murdered? On the whole, more people will suffer less so it’s good.”

I think we can do better.

so I should be able to choose to die painlessly.

Again, this is the NHS we are talking about. Given all the other things that go wrong in the NHS on a daily basis, it is inevitable that the NHS version of assisted dying will:

• be done with the wrong drugs
• be done with too high a dose
• be done with too low a dose
• be done on the wrong patient
• fail to kill someone
• result in a painful death
• be done before the person’s loved ones get there
• be done in a corridor in the emergency department
• not be done because there isn’t enough staff or service provision and people will die before they get it
• will depend on where you live as to how likely any of the above eventuates

And so on.

Then add:

• be done on someone being coerced.

I think if this bill had passed, over the next 10 years there would be a cumulative number of cases that an investigative journalist Panorama-type programme would piece together into a story.

So the question is, how many cases of coercion would it take for people to make necessary changes?

And once again, think of this in the context of the NHS. We have just had the Ockenden Report into maternity services. It reported things everyone knows shouldn’t be happening. How confident is anyone that the NHS will make the necessary changes to ensure it doesn’t keep happening?

So fast forward into the future, journalists uncover multiple coerced deaths, the NHS commissions a report into it, vows to make sure it doesn’t keep happening…and on it goes.

It absolutely needs to be rock solid from the very beginning.

"I am of the view that just one case of someone being coerced would indicate it isn’t an appropriate system."

Okay, I understand. And I am of the view that just one case of torturing someone for weeks (or longer) justifies that our current system of refusing to end their life immediately, is immoral.

We can look at numbers and volume of pain and suffering caused to figure out the balance and which side causes less pain but ultimately: it's no different to the argument for abortion.

My body, my choice. If I can kill a foetus via a doctor, I have a human right to die painlessly.

You made some excellent points about the incompetence of a lot of staff (across many industries) and failures in policy - too many 'managers' and not enough front-line staff.. all about money.. I'm digressing.. but that's fancy wrapping (no disrespect). It's hard keeping people alive, it isn't hard killing someone. It's one injection.

We also keep forgetting something. The person who wants to die will not care any more if things go / went wrong. You're thinking about this from the 'selfish' perspective again: yours. And that's understandable. But as I said right from the start: grief is selfish. The person who wanted to die is no longer suffering. That's all that matters.

Awkwardisfunny · 12/09/2026 18:07

HomericEpithet · 11/09/2026 23:48

If you could guarantee that the vulnerable would not be coerced, I doubt I'd have much of a quibble. I went into this issue thinking ill humans should have a right to euthanasia to avoid unnecessary suffering.

However, given that recent efforts for an assisted suicide bill seem to be designed to maximise the amount of people who can be coerced into death, I don't see any guarantees coming soon.

I get you - what led you to think that? Not to put you on the spot, I haven't read much in to this, so just curious how bad it can be.

HRTQueen · 12/09/2026 18:29

Grammarnut · 11/09/2026 13:25

The people pushing assisted dying certainly take economics into account, as do countries that allow it. It is worth remembering that assisted suicide has its roots in the eugenics movement: that is the removal from the genetic pool of the 'unfit' (usually a judgement about intelligence or ability to contribute to the economy). I think we know where those ideas led. Which is why many of us oppose assisted dying in principal.

I am not sure everyone who supports assisted dying does take finances into account. Governments certainly do but that is their role to mange finances that covers costs for the population’s healthcare

from my understanding while the term may have be used by supporters of eugenics movement later in there were people in support of assisted dying that rejected this movement

this also appears to tie in when medical science progressed at such an astonishing pace that life expectancy jumped considerably along with being able to keep people alive longer with medical intervention who were terminally ill or very frail, mostly older and in very poor health

people should absolutely have the right to choose (with monitoring around. this) when they die and for this to be pain free and peaceful

dolorsit · 12/09/2026 18:56

I support the idea of assisted dying. I did not support this bill.
I am annoyed that rather than dealing with the objections of the medical profession and disability advocates it was brought back in an identical form to take advantage of legislation that would cut out the Lords.

My personal view is that there needs to be cross party support for a commission to review how best to set this up and a properly drafted bill. This is too important for it to be passed on emotional calls to conscience. We would be giving the state the legal power to end someone’s life- it should not be rushed into.

Shortshriftandlethal · 12/09/2026 19:26

6ate9 · 04/09/2026 18:24

There will always be risks with assisted dying (like in Canada) but ultimately we should be allowed to have it as an option.

This goes beyond matters of indvidual choice. People always have the choice of death by their own hand if they wish. Involving the state is quite another matter.

Wishesandhorses · 12/09/2026 19:29

dolorsit · 12/09/2026 18:56

I support the idea of assisted dying. I did not support this bill.
I am annoyed that rather than dealing with the objections of the medical profession and disability advocates it was brought back in an identical form to take advantage of legislation that would cut out the Lords.

My personal view is that there needs to be cross party support for a commission to review how best to set this up and a properly drafted bill. This is too important for it to be passed on emotional calls to conscience. We would be giving the state the legal power to end someone’s life- it should not be rushed into.

This.

The idea needs thorough and careful and proper consideration. This particular bill should not have gone through and thank God it didn't.

Although even just a quick read on the threads here demonstrates the underlying reasons and issues that appear at speed. It's why really, while I think it should be an option for people, I'm not certain it is ever something that this country should be trusted with.

Itsnouse · 12/09/2026 19:47

It used to be accepted practice that the administration of pain relief could lead to an earlier death and that this was acceptable if a patient was in agony. As someone said up thread this changed with Shipman, but I wonder if it has disappeared completely? If so it is this that should be reintroduced in my opinion rather than court procedures and two doctors and so on with all the dangers of scope creep.

Lalgarh · 12/09/2026 20:05

Given that there were over 100 deaths investigated at the Gosport War Memorial hospital who were believed to have died prematurely after the medical notes advised staff to "make patient comfortable", probably not

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3dnydzk552o

The front entrance of the hospital, a light-coloured building of at least two storeys, is flanked by two white columns. The words "Gosport War Memorial Hospital" are on the side of the building above the doorway.

No prosecutions over more than 100 Gosport hospital deaths

Investigations are dropped into the deaths of more than 100 Gosport War Memorial Hospital patients.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3dnydzk552o