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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
Wishesandhorses · Yesterday 21:43

Excellent explanations as always.

I'm hoping Akua may this week write an article on the Scots Govt Prison Service case last week, that was another one that addressed some of the most beloved myths and attempts to override women having rights too.

MassiveWordSalad · Yesterday 22:00

Well said, Akua. As always. Ian Dunt have a clue.

I’ll get me coat.

Hedgehogforshort · Yesterday 22:10

The Sex Matters vs the NCCP case is a corker as it tries to take the police out of PACE altogether, (thus avoiding pesky provisions of the EQA). and argues that the police can become private citizens for the purpose of opposite sex searches.

1984Now · Yesterday 22:49

I thought I'd read it all re gender ideology
Men can become women, stop trans IDing children committing suicide, there's no threat to women, yada yada.
But one response after another to Dunt's Substack said the following:
Trans IDd have always been in women's spaces, thru history to the present day.
Women knew about it.
Women didn't object, they were totally happy.
It was never an issue, only is it an issue now with the emergence of a totally new phenomenon of hate re GC opposition.
Only now are certain women, and men, objecting.
But they never did in the past.
...I'm genuinely gobsmacked that even the most hyper liberal proponents of GI would come up with this.
A total rewriting of history and social mores.
And on a meta level, women are denied control on their sex based spaces today, and denied the history that they had segregated spaces.
They can't have these spaces today, they never had them in the past.
Women have no free will and agency.
And never had them.
The energy expended in warping reality could power the UK power grid.
And the liberal left berate Trump for being a fantasist and liar.

Hedgehogforshort · Yesterday 23:08

I have no idea what berating trump has to do with this thread

GreyskySexRealistsky · Yesterday 23:14

Hedgehogforshort · Yesterday 23:08

I have no idea what berating trump has to do with this thread

The liberal left berate Trump for being a fantasist and liar. When in fact it is the liberal left who are the fantasists and liars - for fantasising and lying about men in women's spaces in the past.

Hedgehogforshort · Yesterday 23:23

Well i have disdain for all the political party’s in the UK. but i still do see what this has to to do with this thread

Wishesandhorses · Yesterday 23:24

1984Now · Yesterday 22:49

I thought I'd read it all re gender ideology
Men can become women, stop trans IDing children committing suicide, there's no threat to women, yada yada.
But one response after another to Dunt's Substack said the following:
Trans IDd have always been in women's spaces, thru history to the present day.
Women knew about it.
Women didn't object, they were totally happy.
It was never an issue, only is it an issue now with the emergence of a totally new phenomenon of hate re GC opposition.
Only now are certain women, and men, objecting.
But they never did in the past.
...I'm genuinely gobsmacked that even the most hyper liberal proponents of GI would come up with this.
A total rewriting of history and social mores.
And on a meta level, women are denied control on their sex based spaces today, and denied the history that they had segregated spaces.
They can't have these spaces today, they never had them in the past.
Women have no free will and agency.
And never had them.
The energy expended in warping reality could power the UK power grid.
And the liberal left berate Trump for being a fantasist and liar.

Edited

The denial is built into the system.

Women have raised issues - they were ignored, dismissed, derided, hounded out. Women's groups that resisted were wrecked or driven under ground.

This is the same denial/lala land that says 'lesbians love straight sex, I've never met a lesbian who doesn't', ignoring that their personal group would never permit a lesbian to say otherwise, and that they have hounded and bullied out every lesbian who would have done.

Women have been excluded, harassed, assaulted, in the case of some of the worst attacks seriously injured. But none of that matters, because it doesn't fit in the lala land reality. So like other inconvenient facts - like sex, biology, etc- it's vanished.

And then there's surprise and failure to understand when finally women force it through courts (with YEARS of documented discussions and evidence of all the historic incidents and issues for women, in many situations) and all they have is to give a baffled shrug and say it's random, incomprehensible 'hate'.

Magical thinking rules, and there's no reasoning with it. But it endlessly proves, multiple times a day, exactly why women still need sex based rights and protections in law, that are rooted in objectivity and not activism.

1984Now · Yesterday 23:25

Hedgehogforshort · Yesterday 23:08

I have no idea what berating trump has to do with this thread

The sex deniers are as prone to lying as he is. Yet they're horrified by him.

Hedgehogforshort · Yesterday 23:35

1984Now · Yesterday 23:25

The sex deniers are as prone to lying as he is. Yet they're horrified by him.

Well i see what you are saying but just seems a bit random to me.

if i was going to criticise any politician on here it would be the women's and equalities select committee and the MP’s who signed the disavow motion. Who it seems to me are really fuelling the kind of nonsense AKU was addressing.

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