Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

[Waheymum]

Over about fifteen years, I've noticed growing awareness and concern about transpeople. This may be my age and simply a case of when people I knew started to transition.
What I'm wondering is whether there are statistics further to the last census on how many people are transitioning or have transitioned. This is because I'm pretty sure that men are still a bigger threat to women's safety than transgender (m-f) women are. I'm not saying that no transwoman poses a risk to women, I'm querying whether, statistically, I'm better off crossing the road to avoid a cisgender man or a transgender woman (if, hypothetically, one were on each side of the road).

Apparently 1% of the population are transgender either men or women.

What about intersex people? People with DSD are still either male or female.

What about transwomen who never use a ladies bathroom? Good on them. Not trampling on other women’s boundaries is probably the most sisterly thing they can do.

What about transwomen who dress in baggy hoodies? What about them? Loads of people wear baggy hoodies. They’re still either male or female.

I think we’ll ’calm down’ when legislators, policy makers and organisations recognise that the safety of girls and women is more important than pandering to fetishistic and unscientific ideology.

Please for the love of God, don't bring people with a DSD into the argument. People who have a DSD are still male or female.

@legy "Does your trans identifying son use any women’s spaces? Do they use women’s bathrooms or changing rooms? Do they and their friend feel entitled to control other people’s perceptions of them?"

I already answered all this.

DC uses the changing rooms assigned for women during the swimming session where everyone swimming is trans. The pool and changing is private and no other people except the trans swimmers are using them during that period. DC began using the disabled changing during these sessions but switched to women's when assured that no one else would be in the space except the trans group, so no one would be distressed.
When out DC doesn't use the bathroom. If they must go they use a third space if possible, or the gents if no third space is available.

I don't know about their friends but DC doesn't bother correcting people who use "him" when out and about. She tends to wear trousers and docs. She has never actually asked us to use she/her pronouns but did ask us to adopt her new name.

I don't know why people feel the need to ask questions at this level of detail about our experience. It feels quite intrusive and "no true Scotsman" like. It does happen every time.

If you choose to explore my posting history you will see DC first had gender identity issues as a teen. We never explicitly acknowledged these as a family, stayed away from any medical professionals, and for a number of years I thought those issues had resolved and retreated and was very proud of myself, even though during this period DC's mental health and functionality was dreadful. Eventually at age 23 DC began to spiral back down to a very dark place indeed and it transpired that this was due to their ongoing gender identity issues. By this point they had felt this way for 8 years with no validation or cheerleading. If course they were by then adult and we weren't able to do anything about it if they decided to change their name and clothing etc.

What I hadn't anticipated was how much happier she would be since transitioning (and she hasn't started hormones or anything, we are in a waiting list). I am not talking euphoria. I am talking just lighter, less introspective, more engaged in life. And that's whilst knowing that many people think her being trans is a delusion/disgusting/ perverted/ threatening.

I dunno, as a Feminist I'm kind of down on society endorsing sexism like that. I think it's bad for women (the female ones).

You don’t seem to understand the points the statistics make or the contextual point relevant to the OP. nor safeguarding.

“But yes let's all fear them and not the other highly unlikely events.”

Do you wear a seatbelt? Lock your car? Lock your front and back door?

A cisgender bear or a transgender bear?

They are meeeeeeeennnnnnn and like all men we can't tell the difference between the lovely men and the awful ones

that's why we keep all men out

it's really not that hard to understand

How is this whataboutery irrelevant to the discussion of the topic?

Transgender males have a weak grip on reality, stereotyped views of women, and often a high degree of resentment towards women. I would not tend to expect that these factors would lead to them being less dangerous to women than other males.

Yes this stood out to me too. Very strange that.

Lol at the poster dismissing women caring about safety, fairness and sexism as getting "riled up" 😂

Let the boys have their fun, right? They aren't really harming anyone. Not anyone who matters, anyway. Right?

Sorry. Editing error.

Relevant not irrelevant

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Your son hasn't transitioned to anything. He is still a man. He likes to pretend to be a woman. It makes him 'lighter and more engaged with life'. Whoop-de-doo. All hail the male.

You know what else is 'intrusive'? Men who think they can adopt the word 'woman' because it makes them feel good.

Your son may not be using women's spaces when women are there, but he and his trans peers (who I note have their own swimming time) still sex segregate, just the opposite way around. Hmmm.

I'm sorry for not fawning for your special child but I'm done with this utter bull crap.

Not really. As an autistic person, my daughter's lasting friendships are with other autistics. She wouldn't be drawn to a non- autistic trans person and wouldn't have much in common with, for example, a highly feminine transitioner like Jazz Jennings who isn't autistic.

It's well known that autistic people are highly over represented in trans and gender non conforming groups.

A man is a man is a man. Wearing a skirt or trousers, make-up or bearded, high heels or boots. Out of the billions of men walking the planet of course not all are dangerous but we have statistics that show the rate of offending by Trans identifying males is higher than the general Male population. So not an entirely harmless vulnerable group at all!

My autistic DS doesn't want to mix solely with other autistic people. He finds that's a stereotype. As he says he has interests in common with lots of people, not just autistic people. He's also gender critical.

And you can't police mine sweetie. Men are men, boys are boys even in lipstick and frock or bunches and a bather

The bouncer's comments regarding the trans people he meets through work are interesting.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5520134-security-stories-bouncer-discusses-his-experience-of-interacting-with-trans-patrons

@BettyBooper Never a truer word spoken! 👍🏻

It's well known that autistic people are highly over represented in trans and gender non conforming groups.

Yes, yes it is.

So maybe we should look more at that fact instead of attempting to reorder the entirety of society in the pretence that humans can change sex?

There are some potential interpretation issues with this.

We are comparing a group of 200 transwomen with a group of 10s of 1000s of men. If we get 50 more sex offenders in the trans group it will have a dramatic impact on the percentage of sex offenders in the trans group. If the same happens with the male group, it will scarcely change the percentage. For this reason, It is not viable to compare percentages with such widely differing bases.

Also we need to understand that the numbers relating to people in custody simply show us who is being caught and convicted. They don’t necessarily give us a true picture of who is more likely to commit a sexual offense. Another way to look a this would be be to calculate the proportion of transwoman sex offenders as a percentage of the overall transwoman population but I don’t think we have that figure.

We need to remember that these figures don’t tell us anything about who offended but wasn’t caught or anyone who received non-custodial sentences.

As others have pointed out this is a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics you should not look at the entire population as a whole to assess risk.

You should assess risk against a single individual and therefore a trans identified male is the same or possibly a higher risk than a non-trans identified male as backed up by this statistics mentioned above.

@Waheymum

More road crossing choices for you:

transwoman vs transman?
man vs transman?
woman vs transman?

we should really explore all the options in this philosophical dilemma.