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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

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Waheymum · 22/04/2026 06:24

Over about fifteen years, I've noticed growing awareness and concern about transpeople. This may be my age and simply a case of when people I knew started to transition.
What I'm wondering is whether there are statistics further to the last census on how many people are transitioning or have transitioned. This is because I'm pretty sure that men are still a bigger threat to women's safety than transgender (m-f) women are. I'm not saying that no transwoman poses a risk to women, I'm querying whether, statistically, I'm better off crossing the road to avoid a cisgender man or a transgender woman (if, hypothetically, one were on each side of the road).

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 24/04/2026 07:42

EmpressaurusKitty · 24/04/2026 07:39

Yes. The first rule of misogyny is that when men do something wrong it’s women’s fault. Or something like that.

Butters was sad too, I wonder what happened to him.

Oh I think butters still walks among us in a different guise....

Cheesipuff · 24/04/2026 07:44

Was this a genuine initial post. Or just a wind up? OP has posted twice.

EmpressaurusKitty · 24/04/2026 07:47

Theeyeballsinthesky · 24/04/2026 07:42

Oh I think butters still walks among us in a different guise....

Well yes, I did wonder…

Theeyeballsinthesky · 24/04/2026 07:53

Cheesipuff · 24/04/2026 07:44

Was this a genuine initial post. Or just a wind up? OP has posted twice.

Surely you don't mean that ppl post faux naive "but would is the problem here?" On FWR and then disappear never to be seen again?? I'm shocked I tell you!

EdithStourton · 24/04/2026 08:38

Theeyeballsinthesky · 24/04/2026 07:53

Surely you don't mean that ppl post faux naive "but would is the problem here?" On FWR and then disappear never to be seen again?? I'm shocked I tell you!

I sometimes think that with these faux-naive posts we should have a ready-made reply, along the lines of 'this is BS and here is why', complete with links and stats.

But there again, some people have such a dazzling mix of tunnel vision and poor reading comprehension that it wouldn't sink in.

'But what about blah blah blah?'
'See point 3a. There is also a helpful link.'
'I'm not following your stupid links! And I cant find 3a anyway!'
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'Your 3a doesn't even mention my point!'
'Totes does, babe. It's all about your point. We just used different words.'

What's that saying about playing chess with pigeons?

Helleofabore · 24/04/2026 09:00

EdithStourton · 24/04/2026 08:38

I sometimes think that with these faux-naive posts we should have a ready-made reply, along the lines of 'this is BS and here is why', complete with links and stats.

But there again, some people have such a dazzling mix of tunnel vision and poor reading comprehension that it wouldn't sink in.

'But what about blah blah blah?'
'See point 3a. There is also a helpful link.'
'I'm not following your stupid links! And I cant find 3a anyway!'
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'Your 3a doesn't even mention my point!'
'Totes does, babe. It's all about your point. We just used different words.'

What's that saying about playing chess with pigeons?

I wondered if MN could host a very carefully moderated thread where a point could be discussed. Like we had a thread where people could just answer the point without any detailing. Like a FAQ thread for each point and MN releases the topic and posters submit an answer and they publish them and only answers, no derailing or posts intended fill up threads. And only moderated posts that were relevant in the moderators view, but posting any view of course. It would be a closed thread that people would have to have their submitted posts approved to go on (not approved on opinion but for being relevant to the discussion)

That way we could post a link to an answer or to the topic. If we did as many as we could, and have MN have a special pinned post with links to these closed threads.

It would require some work though
and I doubt that MN would do it.

Then I thought someone could do a substack with excellent answers from MN and else where that could be linked up , but then I worried it might be traceable to people.

But I have thought that we have needed linkable answers for a long time.

Helleofabore · 24/04/2026 09:01

But Whodathunk the OP would plop and run ?

Datun · 24/04/2026 09:27

GenderlessVoid · 23/04/2026 16:36

if the brain thought it had a penis when it actually has a short urethra, would one not be incontinent because the brain tries to fire non-existent nerves?

I don't think it necessarily would. Someone with phantom limb syndrome still feels pain in a limb that is no longer there. This seems similar to me: you feel like you have a body part that isn't there. It's also similar to how someone with anorexia genuinely believes they are fat.

Body image (one's internal view of one's body) is different than body schema (the sensorimotor representation of the body that integrates inputs from multiple sensory modalities, including vision, touch, proprioception, and vestibular signals and generally operates unconsciously). One can be disrupted while the other works well. A person with damage to their body schema might have trouble coordinating movements even though they can correctly describe their body, while someone with a distorted body image might move through space with no difficulty but perceive their body as a very different size or shape than it actually is.

About 10 years ago, when I first read about this issue, there were all sorts of things floating about.

One that sticks in my mind was the bit the brain that is meant to be bigger for trans identified adults could've been explained by an extreme degree of self obsession. A bit like the brain elasticity of taxi drivers increasing parts of their brain due to The Knowledge.

And the other was about brain stimulation. And the visual body perception part (sorry, I know that sounds hopelessly unscientific) was in the same for anorexics as for trans identified people.

If you take away the fetish, the sexism and the homophobia, then it wouldn't be surprising that there was a brain misfiring that accounted for some people seeing themselves differently.

They're not different, of course.

Chersfrozenface · 24/04/2026 09:32

Helleofabore · 24/04/2026 09:01

But Whodathunk the OP would plop and run ?

But that never happens!

EdithStourton · 24/04/2026 09:39

Helleofabore · 24/04/2026 09:01

But Whodathunk the OP would plop and run ?

<shocked Pikachu face>

GenderlessVoid · 24/04/2026 11:09

Datun · 24/04/2026 09:27

About 10 years ago, when I first read about this issue, there were all sorts of things floating about.

One that sticks in my mind was the bit the brain that is meant to be bigger for trans identified adults could've been explained by an extreme degree of self obsession. A bit like the brain elasticity of taxi drivers increasing parts of their brain due to The Knowledge.

And the other was about brain stimulation. And the visual body perception part (sorry, I know that sounds hopelessly unscientific) was in the same for anorexics as for trans identified people.

If you take away the fetish, the sexism and the homophobia, then it wouldn't be surprising that there was a brain misfiring that accounted for some people seeing themselves differently.

They're not different, of course.

That's possible.

Most of the people I knew in real life whose body image was consistently that of the opposite sex had not transitioned, at least at the time I knew them. It was before that was common. I think all of them had had head injuries. I was relieved that I wasn't the only one. I had never told anyone. I don't think I told them because I wasn't anonymous.

I don't know about the people online who said they transed at least in part because of their body image.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 24/04/2026 16:05

EdithStourton · 24/04/2026 08:38

I sometimes think that with these faux-naive posts we should have a ready-made reply, along the lines of 'this is BS and here is why', complete with links and stats.

But there again, some people have such a dazzling mix of tunnel vision and poor reading comprehension that it wouldn't sink in.

'But what about blah blah blah?'
'See point 3a. There is also a helpful link.'
'I'm not following your stupid links! And I cant find 3a anyway!'
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'Your 3a doesn't even mention my point!'
'Totes does, babe. It's all about your point. We just used different words.'

What's that saying about playing chess with pigeons?

I'm sure that selected parts shared out of context have been causing the rage bait happies on a social media site somewhere.

But there will be others reading here, journalists among them, and these conversations are worth having, even if it often feels like groundhog day.

SinnerBoy · 24/04/2026 18:01

A couple of dozen men posing as women in one town will have a large effect, on all the women and girls in that town, even if only one or two are using women's facilities illegally.

If you've ever had a stone in your shoe and on removing what felt like a large flint, which turned out to be a large grain of sand.

One man's ripples travel a long way. Every woman and girl who is simply unnerved at his presence, every woman and girl who avoids activities, because of his presence is affected.

GenderlessVoid · 25/04/2026 16:09

GenderlessVoid · 24/04/2026 11:09

That's possible.

Most of the people I knew in real life whose body image was consistently that of the opposite sex had not transitioned, at least at the time I knew them. It was before that was common. I think all of them had had head injuries. I was relieved that I wasn't the only one. I had never told anyone. I don't think I told them because I wasn't anonymous.

I don't know about the people online who said they transed at least in part because of their body image.

Expanding because I didn't realise that many people who read my earlier posts may have assumed that the people I knew who consistently had a body image of the opposite sex were trans. As far as I knew, they were not.

It was Ann (not real names), who had a male body image but looked and seemed like a woman. Or James, who had a female body image but looked and acted like a man. As far as I knew, they still identified with their true sex and had not even socially transitioned. I think it was always someone in a group either for head injuries or where head injuries are commonplace (e.g., support groups for people with C-PTSD, because head injuries are common among those of us who were severely abused as children).I assumed the discrepancy between their body image and sexed body was due to trauma, particularly their head injury though other trauma may have contributed.

It was many years ago and I may be confusing different people, but it is possible that a few sometimes went by opposite sex pronouns with a few people. They used correct sex pronouns when I was with them (or when talking to others in that group).

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