Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

[Waheymum]

Over about fifteen years, I've noticed growing awareness and concern about transpeople. This may be my age and simply a case of when people I knew started to transition.
What I'm wondering is whether there are statistics further to the last census on how many people are transitioning or have transitioned. This is because I'm pretty sure that men are still a bigger threat to women's safety than transgender (m-f) women are. I'm not saying that no transwoman poses a risk to women, I'm querying whether, statistically, I'm better off crossing the road to avoid a cisgender man or a transgender woman (if, hypothetically, one were on each side of the road).

We've got some great discussions going on at the moment. How about, for once, you try to add something constructive or, better still, read and learn.

I should think if a load of Type O and Rh- patients started dying after blood transfusions, there probably would be a few articles, and government action. I'd hope that doctors pointing out the problem wouldn't get sacked for their transAB-phobia.

Oh, wait, were you trying to do sarcasm? Bless.

I don't know if I agree with this idea or not, but it would be an interesting topic to explore after a few adult beverages.

As a type O- person, I just wish everyone who is not O- would stop fetishizing and appropriating my blood. They can’t know what it is like to be O-.

lol as if!! Onepost only has one mode - meeeeeee

Like an eternal teenager

Exactly. Just as someone -O cannot know what it is like to be AB positive. Maybe if the O- people stopped demanding to be seen and treated as AB+ things would be a lot better don’t you think?

Definitely, but can imagine what would happen is that they will demand to be treated as the other blood type, sue everyone who doesn’t capitulate.. then sue everyone who does capitulate when it all goes wrong as expected?

Oh definitely. All the while telling the AB people that they are ABing all wrong and that O- people make better AB people than AB people and if AB people don’t accept it, they will be raped with a splintery rolling pin or some such..

Men need to stop using women and women's spaces, it's abusive. They should not do it. It's not right or defensible, women are not resources devoid of thought or feeling who should be compelled to submit to use by men.

It's not difficult.

That's my point.

The "body map" isn't actually a map of the body, it's more like an emergent mental self image the (sub?)consciousness has produced. It's usually quite close to the real body but it's not actually connected to it. It is not authorative, if you like.

This matters because the "wrong body" narrative and genuine experiences of like yours are used to evidence the claim that due to some sort of DSD of the mind the wrong map was somehow installed meaming there's a "real" consciousness of the opposite sex in there - I've seen that claim from more than one trans or trans-ally poster on FWR.

So my point is even when that body map is genuinely experienced, it is still just a projection of the person's mind and of how their own beliefs and experiences affect their interpretation of reality. It has no real connection to the opposite sex at all.

Where do we begin?
The Census was so badly worded the stats were withdrawn.
Yes, there has been a huge rise in people identifying as trans, and the Tavistock data confirms.
At the end of the day, transwomen are men. Some may be castrated or medicalised in ways which render them less of a threat, others are predatory men who identify as women because it turns them on or gives them greater access to women.
Facilitating men who want to access to women's single-sex spaces is and will always be a risk to women

Yes the census was considered to overestimate the number of trans people particularly in communities where English is a second language. This means with in reality a unknown but smaller number of men who
identify as trans in the population, the indicated the risk of a man who identifies as trans being a sex offender is higher than first indicated - which was already several times higher than other men.

So my point is even when that body map is genuinely experienced, it is still just a projection of the person's mind and of how their own beliefs and experiences affect their interpretation of reality. It has no real connection to the opposite sex at all.

I agree with this. I generally agreed with your earlier comment as well and gave a thumbs up. I disagreed with the part where you said that if someone thought they had a penis when they actually had a short urethra, they would be incontinent. I thought you were confusing body image with body schema. The two generally operate independently so my body image can be off but my body schema (i.e., urethra) works perfectly well or my body schema can be off but my body image be correct (e.g., i know where my left leg is perfectly well but it doesn't move in sync with the rest of my body).

IMO if someone thinks they are fat but are actually underweight, that's an image in their mind, not an accurate map of their body. Same if they think they're a woman but have a man's body.

I don't think having a body image of a woman makes anyone more of a woman than having a body image of a man does, any more than having a body image of being overweight makes one fatter than someone who (correctly) views themselves as underweight.

My original point in bringing it up was to add to the reasons that some people identify as trans. I think that if someone has an inaccurate image of their body's sex, it might be psychologically easier to identify as the sex of that image. I've seen it mentioned by some trans people as a reason that they transitioned.

I've never been seen or treated as AB+, so I'll take your word.

The "wrong body" narrative makes no sense to me, but it does seem prevalent. My efforts were focused on having an adult life that made sense to me and the way I envisioned that happening was to develop a female adult body instead of a male adult body.

"Body map" struck me as interesting when I read your comment only because of what I personally experienced after surgery. I'm not going to discuss that here.

There is a lot to be said about experience vs. expectation though.

you’re not really good at analogies or reading comprehension are you? Bless you, you tried though and that’s what counts.

sad times.

I think "Having a wrong sex body map" is an instance of having opposite sex ideas, not a reason for getting opposite sex ideas.

Indeed. A few years ago everyone knew that some crossdressers were creepy perverts. Now, it's forbidden to even suggest it, although 'fetishistic transvestism' is in the ICD and a diagnosis of 'gender incongruence' is supposed to be checked for it to rule it out.

Society is working very hard to deny that there is a particular type of predatory male who seeks to transgress women's boundaries, practices exhibitionism etc. It is wilfully ignoring the evidence and it is putting women and children at risk.

Revisiting the OP; yes, I agree there are more trans people now than there were fifteen years ago. There are so many more now than there were 40+ years ago. A more diverse group of people are being labeled 'trans' today. I notice a surprising number of people in transition day-to-day, which makes sense if they are 1-2% of the population.

Regarding the question about crossing the road, I agree with the 'you're more likely to be hit by traffic' answer.

It is as if we are supposed to believe that if a man puts a dress on, suddenly he becomes an innocent, ethereal being who would never hurt any one and loses any hint of being threatening so of course belongs in women’s spaces. Of course, if we refuse to believe this, these same men threaten to kill, rape assault women who disagree with them. That of course, is the fault of the women saying no, not the men. They are only threatening us because we’re traumatising them by saying no.

I remember Steph Richards earnestly explaining that if FiLiA had just been the right kind of feminist conference Steph & fellow protestors would have been inside supporting them.

Instead of outside, chalking obscene phrases & pictures on pavements & chanting loudly over sessions where survivors of sexual abuse were talking about their experiences.

I’m sure if we were the right kind of feminists AidaP wouldn’t be threatening to rape us with a splintery rolling pin either. It’s all very sad.

We must also understand we are making these men very very sad with our disobedience and refusal to agree to their demands. #sadtimes indeed.

Yes. The first rule of misogyny is that when men do something wrong it’s women’s fault. Or something like that.

Butters was sad too, I wonder what happened to him.