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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

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Waheymum · Yesterday 06:24

Over about fifteen years, I've noticed growing awareness and concern about transpeople. This may be my age and simply a case of when people I knew started to transition.
What I'm wondering is whether there are statistics further to the last census on how many people are transitioning or have transitioned. This is because I'm pretty sure that men are still a bigger threat to women's safety than transgender (m-f) women are. I'm not saying that no transwoman poses a risk to women, I'm querying whether, statistically, I'm better off crossing the road to avoid a cisgender man or a transgender woman (if, hypothetically, one were on each side of the road).

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Diverze · Yesterday 09:24

BettyBooper · Yesterday 09:12

Your son hasn't transitioned to anything. He is still a man. He likes to pretend to be a woman. It makes him 'lighter and more engaged with life'. Whoop-de-doo. All hail the male.

You know what else is 'intrusive'? Men who think they can adopt the word 'woman' because it makes them feel good.

Your son may not be using women's spaces when women are there, but he and his trans peers (who I note have their own swimming time) still sex segregate, just the opposite way around. Hmmm.

I'm sorry for not fawning for your special child but I'm done with this utter bull crap.

Wow.

Look, there's a wide, wide gap between "fawning over my special child" and "all hail the male". You think hating someone you haven't met, and never will, is a good way to spend your life?

You know that autistic girls are hugely overrepresented in transmen too, of course. Is that "all hail the female"?

Do you think it might be a complex social issue and not just a case of some blokes enjoying pretending to be women for jollies and sexual kicks? Do you not think that might be hard to keep up 24/7 for 10+ years, 99 percent of which involve doing boring ordinary daily things like cooking meals, vacuuming, doing some work on the computer. It's not wanking in suspenders 24/7. DC doesn't own any heels, short skirts, makeup or stockings fwiw.

I am glad I'm not you.

PoppinjayPolly · Yesterday 09:25

FlirtsWithRhinos · Yesterday 09:05

Lol at the poster dismissing women caring about safety, fairness and sexism as getting "riled up" 😂

Let the boys have their fun, right? They aren't really harming anyone. Not anyone who matters, anyway. Right?

I’d be really interested as to the reaction if Life is short, calm down, live and let live and try to find some joy along the way
was posted on the trans threads on Reddit for the “die in a grease fire” “behead all terfs” and all the JKR hate?

ContentedAlpaca · Yesterday 09:25

I know 2 'trans women' and 1 'transgirl'
Also 7 'transboys', one girl who is non binary and 1 girl who feels like a boy sometimes and a girl sometimes.

But the whole thing is more complex than "aren't 'transwomen' in a minority"! Shouldn't we be kind?
It becomes are these 7 'transboys' in danger of making life-changing alterations to their body and health that can't be reversed?
Surely if trans people are a minority I wouldn't know 12 of them in my small social circle? In contrast, I have 3 friends who are lesbians and they span a much bigger age gap. I know no gay men or boys. If the numbers are wrong here in that 7 women weren't 'born in the wrong body', are we being kind to them in playing along or would the kindest person actually also be the bravest?

It becomes because of 'inclusivity' for this minority some public loos have become mixed sex and now we are exposed to men who are a threat. As a minimum I've had one episode of aggression in these loos and two episodes of using the loo with the door open -one potentially being flashing as they turned around to face the middle of the room before putting their penis away.

Then there is the 'nappy fetishist' Abby Taylor who I think a lot of people decided was a bloke jumping on the trans bandwagon, but maybe not, who knows!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62gn7j9q76o

And also the poor misguided bloke Ciara Watkins who thought he was a woman for all purposes of the law and (I believe) misguidedly thought it was ok to trick another man into sexual activity with him under the belief he was a woman, making him both victim and perpetrator. Ciara is now on the sex offenders register.

legy · Yesterday 09:27

@Diverze The questions I asked you were rhetorical, I didn’t expect or require you’d answer. I’m very sorry for your son’s mental health issues.

If your son intends to stay out of women’s spaces and will never force his identity on others then fine. It sounds like he perhaps accepts that he is still a man and won’t ever be a woman even if he chooses to take cross sex hormones and if content for it to be a shared delusion between him and those who indulge him. I hope he continues to be this way but who knows, we see many supposed realist trans identified males who try to ally themselves to gender critical women who still push women’s boundaries when it suits them. Many people would also feel it isn’t ok for your son or any man to be using the women’s facilities at all even if actual women are not present.

It’s also worth keeping in mind that cross sex hormones are not neutral and can be quite harmful to those who use them. Perhaps if he can accept himself as a non conforming male then so much the better.

Brefugee · Yesterday 09:27

tnorfotkcab · Yesterday 06:25

You're better off avoiding all men. Whether they pretend they're women or not.

sorry, a little off-topic

Dirk Peglow (head of the German police union) has suggested, in a mainstream TV interview, that women are better off not having a relationship with a man in order to protect themselves from violence.

It's in German so if you speak German - have a look here

(interviewer says: what do you recommend for women?

Peglow: if you go by statistics, it is better not to have a relationship with a man, because that makes the risk of being subject to physical or psychological violence)

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nicepotoftea · Yesterday 09:28

FlirtsWithRhinos · Yesterday 08:47

Except maybe a little more sexist than those other men.

Because a prerequisite for believing oneself "transgender" is the belief that the fundamental difference between men and women is mental, and that female people's understanding of themselves and their experiences through the reality of their sexed bodies and how people react to them has less authority than a man's projections about womanhood and how we think, feel and live that he has observed from within his actually entirely male experiences.

The other guys might be sexist and think women's voices, truths and needs matter less than men's, but trans women definitely are and definitely do.

I agree that the underlying premise is sexist and regressive. I put it all in the same category as tolerating people with different religious beliefs.

Diverze · Yesterday 09:29

legy · Yesterday 09:27

@Diverze The questions I asked you were rhetorical, I didn’t expect or require you’d answer. I’m very sorry for your son’s mental health issues.

If your son intends to stay out of women’s spaces and will never force his identity on others then fine. It sounds like he perhaps accepts that he is still a man and won’t ever be a woman even if he chooses to take cross sex hormones and if content for it to be a shared delusion between him and those who indulge him. I hope he continues to be this way but who knows, we see many supposed realist trans identified males who try to ally themselves to gender critical women who still push women’s boundaries when it suits them. Many people would also feel it isn’t ok for your son or any man to be using the women’s facilities at all even if actual women are not present.

It’s also worth keeping in mind that cross sex hormones are not neutral and can be quite harmful to those who use them. Perhaps if he can accept himself as a non conforming male then so much the better.

I would be delighted if she settled on a gender non conforming male identity.

popery · Yesterday 09:30

Diverze · Yesterday 07:38

I didn't ask a question, so I have lost you I'm afraid.

Sorry, had confused you with the OP's question about number of trans people.

PoppinjayPolly · Yesterday 09:31

Diverze · Yesterday 09:24

Wow.

Look, there's a wide, wide gap between "fawning over my special child" and "all hail the male". You think hating someone you haven't met, and never will, is a good way to spend your life?

You know that autistic girls are hugely overrepresented in transmen too, of course. Is that "all hail the female"?

Do you think it might be a complex social issue and not just a case of some blokes enjoying pretending to be women for jollies and sexual kicks? Do you not think that might be hard to keep up 24/7 for 10+ years, 99 percent of which involve doing boring ordinary daily things like cooking meals, vacuuming, doing some work on the computer. It's not wanking in suspenders 24/7. DC doesn't own any heels, short skirts, makeup or stockings fwiw.

I am glad I'm not you.

Where’s the need to be seen as a woman in 99 percent of which involve doing boring ordinary daily things like cooking meals, vacuuming, doing some work on the computer. What of these tasks are specifical female. I understand your defense of your child, but attributing “hate” to those as in your response to @BettyBooper who don’t agree with this way of thinking is a HUGE part of the issue.

ainsleysanob · Yesterday 09:31

Diverze · Yesterday 09:24

Wow.

Look, there's a wide, wide gap between "fawning over my special child" and "all hail the male". You think hating someone you haven't met, and never will, is a good way to spend your life?

You know that autistic girls are hugely overrepresented in transmen too, of course. Is that "all hail the female"?

Do you think it might be a complex social issue and not just a case of some blokes enjoying pretending to be women for jollies and sexual kicks? Do you not think that might be hard to keep up 24/7 for 10+ years, 99 percent of which involve doing boring ordinary daily things like cooking meals, vacuuming, doing some work on the computer. It's not wanking in suspenders 24/7. DC doesn't own any heels, short skirts, makeup or stockings fwiw.

I am glad I'm not you.

Then what ‘transitioning’ has your son undertaken? Other than deciding that he wants to be a ‘she’ what has your son done that now makes him a woman?

ContentedAlpaca · Yesterday 09:32

I've just realised the op has posted in naivety but has heard every single one of these discussion points before.

BettyBooper · Yesterday 09:32

Diverze · Yesterday 09:24

Wow.

Look, there's a wide, wide gap between "fawning over my special child" and "all hail the male". You think hating someone you haven't met, and never will, is a good way to spend your life?

You know that autistic girls are hugely overrepresented in transmen too, of course. Is that "all hail the female"?

Do you think it might be a complex social issue and not just a case of some blokes enjoying pretending to be women for jollies and sexual kicks? Do you not think that might be hard to keep up 24/7 for 10+ years, 99 percent of which involve doing boring ordinary daily things like cooking meals, vacuuming, doing some work on the computer. It's not wanking in suspenders 24/7. DC doesn't own any heels, short skirts, makeup or stockings fwiw.

I am glad I'm not you.

I don't hate your son. At all. And actually, my frustration isn't with your son. It is with you.

On an anonymous forum, you refer to your son as your daughter. You lie. It is you who is muddying the waters.

You come on here to tell women off for caring about their rights because of your special child.

No.

I don't care if all your son does is 'cooking food and vacuuming' (interesting choice of activities). He is not a woman.

He can wear whatever he likes as far as I'm concerned.

No it's not a 'complex social issue '. Humans can't change sex. You pretending they can may help your son feel better, but it's fucking over women and society in the process.

EdithStourton · Yesterday 09:33

ContentedAlpaca · Yesterday 09:32

I've just realised the op has posted in naivety but has heard every single one of these discussion points before.

The OP has also vanished...

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Yesterday 09:35

BettyBooper · Yesterday 09:32

I don't hate your son. At all. And actually, my frustration isn't with your son. It is with you.

On an anonymous forum, you refer to your son as your daughter. You lie. It is you who is muddying the waters.

You come on here to tell women off for caring about their rights because of your special child.

No.

I don't care if all your son does is 'cooking food and vacuuming' (interesting choice of activities). He is not a woman.

He can wear whatever he likes as far as I'm concerned.

No it's not a 'complex social issue '. Humans can't change sex. You pretending they can may help your son feel better, but it's fucking over women and society in the process.

hear hear - allowing these ideas and concepts to stand unchallenged is literally poisoning discourse and culture. It is a lie it is always a lie and it should always be called out. You can put on a dress if you like but referring to or talking about one sex as if it is another is corrosive and poisonous and should not be allowed to stand. Compelled speech should never be encouraged. it is wrong. always.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Yesterday 09:35

EdithStourton · Yesterday 09:33

The OP has also vanished...

Another poke of the hornets nest. Still it's one the AI's will be learning from :)

Waheymum · Yesterday 09:36

NoisyHiker · Yesterday 06:35

Wow, if that is the case, they are really overrepresented in the prison stats, especially for sexual crimes.

And if you are avoiding one of the men, I'd suggest avoiding any that outwardly display signs of mental instability.

Cross sex hormones have a lot to answer for, they are being used as tictac replacements for genuine mental health help. And it's starting to show.

I agree that hormones have been/are being used as an easy replacement for genuine mental health help and that it shows. I think it's always shown though, especially if you talk to transwomen rather than avoid them.

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Diverze · Yesterday 09:36

PoppinjayPolly · Yesterday 09:31

Where’s the need to be seen as a woman in 99 percent of which involve doing boring ordinary daily things like cooking meals, vacuuming, doing some work on the computer. What of these tasks are specifical female. I understand your defense of your child, but attributing “hate” to those as in your response to @BettyBooper who don’t agree with this way of thinking is a HUGE part of the issue.

That's the point I am making. DC is just "Helen" doing the washing up in jeans and a t shirt rather than "Harry". She isn't "Helen" wearing a micro mini skirt and red lipstick while pouting with a huge erection doing the washing up. 99.9 percent of the time she's just Helen and it makes no odds that she is using a different name than she used to.

BettyBooper was being pretty hate filled towards me and my "special child". I don't ascribe all gender critical feminism as hate but I did think she was straying into personal attack territory.

AngleofRepose · Yesterday 09:37

Waheymum · Yesterday 06:24

Over about fifteen years, I've noticed growing awareness and concern about transpeople. This may be my age and simply a case of when people I knew started to transition.
What I'm wondering is whether there are statistics further to the last census on how many people are transitioning or have transitioned. This is because I'm pretty sure that men are still a bigger threat to women's safety than transgender (m-f) women are. I'm not saying that no transwoman poses a risk to women, I'm querying whether, statistically, I'm better off crossing the road to avoid a cisgender man or a transgender woman (if, hypothetically, one were on each side of the road).

Oh, another one of these. Looks like someone was bored, and, in three hours, has not been back to engage. Probably still asleep, as it's 4.37am on the East Coast, and even earlier as you go further west. I hear it can get pretty dull at night in some of the flyover states. Tiresome.

OP, if you get out of bed to get to school later and happen to read this: trans-identified men are still, and always will be, men.

RareGoalsVerge · Yesterday 09:39

ApplebyArrows · Yesterday 09:00

Transgender males have a weak grip on reality, stereotyped views of women, and often a high degree of resentment towards women. I would not tend to expect that these factors would lead to them being less dangerous to women than other males.

Don't forget the inability to recognise that a woman saying "no" has the right to have that respected and obeyed. (I recognise that not all transwomen have this inability but there's been enough public cases of "transwoman angry at being told 'no' about wanting to breach a woman's personal boundaries" that it looks like a strong pattern)

AngleofRepose · Yesterday 09:39

Waheymum · Yesterday 09:36

I agree that hormones have been/are being used as an easy replacement for genuine mental health help and that it shows. I think it's always shown though, especially if you talk to transwomen rather than avoid them.

oh, there you are. Maybe you'd care to answer some of the questions others have asked you?

ThePeachPombear · Yesterday 09:39

tnorfotkcab · Yesterday 06:25

You're better off avoiding all men. Whether they pretend they're women or not.

A statement incorrect on so many levels it's likely to require its own elevator. 🙄

BettyBooper · Yesterday 09:40

Diverze · Yesterday 09:36

That's the point I am making. DC is just "Helen" doing the washing up in jeans and a t shirt rather than "Harry". She isn't "Helen" wearing a micro mini skirt and red lipstick while pouting with a huge erection doing the washing up. 99.9 percent of the time she's just Helen and it makes no odds that she is using a different name than she used to.

BettyBooper was being pretty hate filled towards me and my "special child". I don't ascribe all gender critical feminism as hate but I did think she was straying into personal attack territory.

And now your son is washing up. Will he be doing the cleaning next?

popery · Yesterday 09:41

she's just Helen and it makes no odds that she is using a different name than she used to.

This is an honest question. Do you think there is any difference between men and women apart from names, and if so, can you give an example of a difference? Did your child change this aspect of themselves (eg if you think "being diplomatic" makes you a woman, did they become more diplomatic, or did they always have this feature and not realise it "made them" a woman?)

alliumursinum · Yesterday 09:44

ThePeachPombear · Yesterday 09:39

A statement incorrect on so many levels it's likely to require its own elevator. 🙄

Aww Peach, you must have been very proud of that little ‘elevator’ line - you’ve used it in two of your three posts under this name. Are you hoping it will be seen as your motif?

Wowthatwasabigstep · Yesterday 09:44

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