Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

[Waheymum]

Over about fifteen years, I've noticed growing awareness and concern about transpeople. This may be my age and simply a case of when people I knew started to transition.
What I'm wondering is whether there are statistics further to the last census on how many people are transitioning or have transitioned. This is because I'm pretty sure that men are still a bigger threat to women's safety than transgender (m-f) women are. I'm not saying that no transwoman poses a risk to women, I'm querying whether, statistically, I'm better off crossing the road to avoid a cisgender man or a transgender woman (if, hypothetically, one were on each side of the road).

It's irrelevant. There's enough to be a problem. Why?

Because it's not about how many transwomen there. It's about the impact a single transwomen has. One transwomen over the course of years if they decide to invade women's only space will violate the privacy and dignity of hundreds of not thousands of women. One transwoman in sport has an impact on every woman in that event - so football, it's every one on their own team and everyone they play.

And one transman who has significant complications and health problems as a direct result of transition is going to cost the NHS thousands more than someone who hasn't transitioned. That has an impact on everyone. And that's without considering detransitioners and possible future compensation claims.

So even a small number matters and is significant.

Why would anyone think that a man who called themselves Bill yesterday and identified as Brenda today was somehow a different person? We all know the difference between men and women and why women are wary of some men. It’s not rocket science.

Both men and women (don’t think there are any kids in the group). The group is unrelated to anything trans but every time he posts something that is actually related, he OF COURSE has to mention he is trans.

And I’m guessing most people who gush are just following the ‘be kind’ mantra, and it’s never been an issue for them.

I wonder if being threatened and intimidated by those male people who are supposedly the ‘righteous’ ones has stripped away any remaining emotionally evoked supportive reactions that might have been there?

Having had male people yelling abuse at me because I attended a meeting discussing female people’s rights and needs makes me very aware of how someone’s righteous loved one could end up being the extremist. I don’t know of any women protesting female single sex provisions who threaten and intimidate. And very rarely do women turn up to silence a trans inclusive event.

There really is no symmetry at all in the reactions and the threats and intimidation is never justified in any way. Yet once you see the male reaction to being told ‘no’, it must take some suppression to ‘unsee’ it.

Men who get their, ahem, jollies, wearing a fantasy version of what they imagine women wear. Nothing to do with actual women.

Oh my goodness, I haven’t seen these stats before, that’s shocking!!!

There are no "trans" people or "Cis" people, only humans who are all either male or female right down to their DNA. Clothes change nothing.

We seem to have another plop-n-run from OP. I thought the school holidays were over…

Yes, it is a minority issue. All the stats shown above only demonstrate that it is indeed a minority issue. There are 82,000 male inmates. Of even a few hundred of them are trans rapists...it is indeed a drop in the ocean. You are probably more likely to die coming out of a bath than be raped by a trans woman. But yes let's all fear them and not the other highly unlikely events.

The vast majority of men don't pose a threat and just want to get on with their lives and in most situations it is unlawful to treat men and women differently.

The law distinguishes between men and women and allows discrimination in some circumstances where sex is relevant.

Men who identify as trans are no more being excluded than men who like making jam or men who who use a wheelchair or men who are Buddhist monks. They are all just men.

I’m always reminded of this.

I think the whole ‘trans’ element is a red herring when talking about the risk to women.

Ultimately men commit most of the violent and sexual crime. If you create a legal loophole that allows dangerous men to ‘identify’ as something that gives them a free pass to the chicken coup they’re going to use it. And girls and women will get hurt.

Whether that male bodied individual has genuine body dysmorphia is neither here nor there. The biggest measure to keep women safe is strict adherence to single sex spaces.

It’s so blindingly obvious.

I think OP is genuine, she's got posting history and posted on FWR and other topics before.

We don’t fear transwomen, we fear men.

Transwomen are men. It may make them sad to hear that but that is not my problem.

Something I have noticed recently is women's only spaces aimed at Muslim women (not excluding women of non or other religions - just aimed at or advertised to muslim women).

Like religion trumps trans ideology.

I thought it was an interesting development.

There's a lot of riled up black and white thinking on this thread. What about intersex people? What about transwomen who never use a ladies bathroom? What about transwomen who dress in baggy hoodies?

Life is short, calm down, live and let live and try to find some joy along the way💐

Fair enough. It seemed to follow a pattern we have been seeing here a lot recently.

They all know this but it’s easier to paint us as transphobic as they have no coherent argument for keeping men out of female single sex provision.

Using this logic, because it is likely that no man in prison has a tattoo of George Osborne, any man with a tattoo of George Osborne must be safe.

Here's the best way to tell, OP.

Go up to each man in turn and ask which of them routinely threatens to rape women with a splintery rolling pin.

It reminds me of that joke when the male driver picks up the female hitchhiker.

He says to her aren't you worried that you might get in the car with a serial killer? And she's says nah, that would be far too much of a coincidence. He says what do you mean, and she says what are the chances of two serial killers in the same car.

Except maybe a little more sexist than those other men.

Because a prerequisite for believing oneself "transgender" is the belief that the fundamental difference between men and women is mental, and that female people's understanding of themselves and their experiences through the reality of their sexed bodies and how people react to them has less authority than a man's projections about womanhood and how we think, feel and live that he has observed from within his actually entirely male experiences.

The other guys might be sexist and think women's voices, truths and needs matter less than men's, but trans women definitely are and definitely do.

You are statistically unlikely to be burgled in your lifetime, the chance is slim. I bet you still lock your door though. Safeguarding 101 innit.

Ooh yes. Our friendly frequent flyer on these boards AidaP.
I’m a little surprised he hasn’t turned up already with his predictably patronising pearls of wisdom.

This…a million times over!