Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

[Waheymum]

Over about fifteen years, I've noticed growing awareness and concern about transpeople. This may be my age and simply a case of when people I knew started to transition.
What I'm wondering is whether there are statistics further to the last census on how many people are transitioning or have transitioned. This is because I'm pretty sure that men are still a bigger threat to women's safety than transgender (m-f) women are. I'm not saying that no transwoman poses a risk to women, I'm querying whether, statistically, I'm better off crossing the road to avoid a cisgender man or a transgender woman (if, hypothetically, one were on each side of the road).

You are correct for the older age groups and that’s why women were expected to just deal with this situation. A sort of fudge or work around that wasnt quite legal but not common enough to deal with properly

But when I looked at the Scottish census stats a while ago trans identities are about 1 in 75 for the age group 18-35. I think it’s fair to assume that would apply across the UK based on what Ive observed when out in public on a regular day out in town.

So I’d say that for the younger age groups, trans is fairly common and therefore it’s no longer (if it ever was) unreasonable to expect women to “budge up” to accommodate their demands. At the rate of 1 in 75 they should have proper facilities of their own and to stay out of the ladies’

No, "they" don't. My trans daughter doesn't access women's spaces or awards. She accesses trans spaces (eg swimming for trans and gender non conforming people). She is a gentle soul who has never hurt a fly and doesn't go around "demanding" anything. She is annoyed at activists stirring up a culture war. She has a group of friends from trans swimming who feel similarly. All are autistic. They just want the freedom to live in a way that makes sense to them.

I watched this the other day, great 'lived experience' video and because it comes from a man, the OP might be able to watch it.

Pink hair ? A rabid sense of entitlement?

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What is the difference between a “cisgender man” and a “transwoman” apart from clothing?

Yes trans people are a tiny minority.
And trans eople have full humam rights to live their best life with dignity and equality.
Saying that a transwoman remains male is not hateful and does nor prevent that transwoman from that dignity and equality. It is not possible to have any kind of different arrangements for male people and female people if some male people are included in the female category, by definition. Destroying the separate arrangements that women need from time to time as a fundamental consequence of having a different biological reality to male people is too high a price to pay to satisfy the wishes of the male people who want reality to be other than it is. Any accommodations that are made for transwomen are accessible to all male people whatever their gender identity because there is no way to verify anyone's gender identity objectively. Transwomen are no more or less likely to be a threat than any other male person but any measure that is intended to protect women from dangerous men is useless if there is an exemption for transwomen not because the threat is more likely from transwomen but because any exemption will be used by the people who are the dangerous ones because the exemption can be claimed by anyone. No one has the tight to be protected from facts when reality is sad, that is not one of the human rights.

This is the reaction to being told ‘no, you should respect female people’s needs for single sex provisions’ by a celebrity. Why have we been led to believe that male people who believe they are women are different to any other male person who ignores women’s boundaries and reject women saying ‘no’.

Alexandra Billings self published these videos . This one first I believe.

https://x.com/gaynotqueer1/status/2032811484271817092?s=46

Then the chilling and menacing response to women saying 'no' here stitched into Amy Sousa’s response.

https://x.com/knownheretic/status/2032639781658833142?s=46

The menace is chilling to see. Yet, apparently we are supposed to welcome these same men into provisions designated as single sex for our protection from men threatening and intimidating us.

It becomes so clear that these men hate female people in general when they gloat over not being able to stop them accessing provisions that they should be excluded from and lack the inclination to self exclude from. Just as they gloat over organisational decisions to remove female single sex provisions in response to law changes that exclude male people from those provisions.

At the same time, we are supposed to believe that these men are most vulnerable and marginalised.

Here is another set of videos that shows the same dynamic.

Daviana. Who started posting videos about how he knew he was a man etc. He was considered to be 'one of the reasonable ones' because of that.

Of course, as he has made more videos more has come out about what and how he really thinks. .

https://x.com/KnownHeretic/status/2031523680136868150?s=20

https://x.com/KnownHeretic/status/2031873045682667588?s=20

https://x.com/KnownHeretic/status/2031975467725832460?s=20

These men are chilling once you see what they really think. We see it regularly when male people with transgender identities intimidate and threaten us at women’s events. From Baker (‘punch a terf’) to the man yelling at us to stop murdering children just the other weekend.

The gloating from Daviana and Billings as they envision negative impacts on female people because they rejected his demands seems to be highlighting just how common that reaction is from men who don’t get what they want from women.

Billings and Daviana are just two men who are showing women who they really are. It seems some men really cannot help themselves in showing that these demands are also part of the power dynamic.

So, are who are supposed to believe? The men telling us they are women and as a group are no threat to women at all, or do we consider the MoJ statistics and understand that these men are a greater threat to female people than other female people. In far, that they are likely to still be at least the same risk to female people as the general male population. Because they are still male?

I don't feel particularly physically threatened by trans women over other men.

I do feel insulted by their reductive view of what it is to be a "woman" and their belief that this should be the authorative version of womanhood.

And I am both aghast and furious at the weak and sexist cultural, legal and political establishment that is going along with that, and pushing for these neo-sexist and disordered ideas about "men" and "wonen" to become the actual practical definition of men and women.

And I'm horrified that these sexist ideas have created a culture where physical interventions on the body, sometimes on very young people, are seen as necessary just to make their bodies closer to what a sexist reading of their mind tells them they are supposed to be.

Claiming male people experience womanhood while also claiming to be a "feminst" turns "Feminism" as they practice it into a joke that actually deligitimises female voices and the reality of female experiences and sex-based risks and challenges. It undermines the very rights and resources that are supposed to support us.

Simply being aware that many of the formal and informal structures of power in our society not only privilege a man's view of what it is to be me over mine but would actually punish me for describing my own reality and needs if they disagree with his, makes me feel unsafe, at risk.

So that's why, regardless of the size of the physical threat, I consider the public validation and acceptance of the belief that some men are genuinely closer to women than other men because of something in their mind a significant threat to women's rights and social safety.

🤣🤣 let’s give the OP a chance! 😉

You can't police my language pal.
You can use "he", I will use "she", thanks very much.

Does your child believe strongly that a woman is a male or female person who can only be differentiated from a "man" male or female person because of some indescribable feeling?

If so, then I would say that on top of the other statistical risks that pertain to men, their sexist beliefs are harmful.

And in answer to your question, it depends on how you define transpeople. If you mean people who want to permanantly be the opposite sex, then perhaps that's a small number, but it's also an exclusionary definition.

If you mean people who don't have a gender identity they feel aligns with their sex then that'll include lots more people.

I'm glad your kid stays out of female spaces.

But he's still playing acting membership of a group he has in reality no experience of being and never can experience being.

So while his identity and feelings, his "making sense of himself", may be genuine, in calling himself "she" or "a girl/woman" to name them he has picked the wrong word for what he feels.

Those of us who actually are the thing those words mean have every moral right to object to him and you using them to mean something different even if some parts of society currently want to deny us that right.

I didn't ask a question, so I have lost you I'm afraid.

Well, the stats clearly show that transwomen are more likely to be sex offenders than any other group, so it’s sensible to be wary of them when you’re in a vulnerable position, no?

Obviously, there are vastly more men who don’t identify as trans, so you’re more likely to be assaulted by them just because you’re more likely to be around them more often but that doesn’t mean transwomen aren’t a threat too.

They’re all just men at the end of the day and we need to keep them all out of women’s single-sex spaces.

I don't think anyone here has been campaigning against transgender ideology because we think women cross the road to avoid men in general in public.

We campaign against it for a number of reasons but the OP has asked about safety. The issue is that allowing men pretending to be women in allows any and all predatory men into women's spaces, because all they have to do is announce they are trans.

As has been said many times before, good men stay out so bad men stand out. That's why we need to not blur the boundary, women only in women's spaces.

You have misunderstood statistics fundamentally here.

Yes, there are far more males than trans identified males

Yes, as a whole of the population, you are more likely to suffer harm from a male than a trans identified male. That’s a population issue. Not an individual risk.

No, you are not safer to cross the road to walk next to a trans identified male than a male because in that instance you were just talking about two males

Interestingly if you look at the UK male prison population 20% of the male population is in for sexual assault and 60% of the trans identified male population is in the sexual assault so perhaps with your road crossing example you could reevaluate

in addition, yes trans identities have until quite recently been on the increase more people as well as folding cross dressing and transvestites under one banner called trans. That has recently taken a nose live with young people which I considered to be good news for everybody.

Why are you paying attention to those two burglars trying to break your locks? They're a tiny minority of burglars! In fact why are you locking your doors at all? Burglars will steal from you anyway.

Anyway it's always good to have an early morning faux naive post to give a chance to explain for the millionth time that it doesn't matter how sad the men are that despite growing their hair, wearing a dress and you know everything!! They're still men and that they never lose their profound sense of male entitlement

how do we know TW are men? Well because when men said they were women the government, the media, the nhs, the arts, universities everyone said "of course you are!" and when actual women said "um no of course men are not women" those very same institutions said "sorry can't hear you ladies, your voices must be too shrill or something"

I never said you didn't. My true feelings are that if born 40 years ago she wouldn't be trans; she was told at school about gender identities and being autistic took it literally. Maybe she'd have been a transvestite or secret cross dresser, who knows. I am in favour of restricting that sort of teaching and keeping transition to adults only (my daughter is an adult).

If it makes you feel better to call my youngster "him" go ahead and do it, but I will call her she, thanks very much. I can see how very much happier, more confident and more functional she is knowing that our family is accepting of her however she presents and whatever she feels inside. We all understand that she is male but wishes to go through life as if she were female, that people will often read her as male and use those pronouns, that she was once a little boy we all deeply loved and we will not be removing family pictures of that little boy. It is a hard road to travel as a family and we grieved. But in the end this is how she is happy - and she really is, it's like night and day.

Again this is a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics and likelihood. The risk measured against individual males it’s just as high and possibly higher with trans identified males

@Diverze Does your trans identifying son use any women’s spaces? Do they use women’s bathrooms or changing rooms? Do they and their friend feel entitled to control other people’s perceptions of them? Are you confident that as a society indulging these delusions in young people, especially autistic young people doesn’t create issues further down the line when they realise that they are not and cannot ever be the opposite sex? Are you fully confident that either they or their friends won’t ever feel entitled to access women’s spaces?

It may be that your trans identified son will never want to access women’s spaces or demand to be seen as the sex he is not and instead just be happy to imagine himself as a woman regardless of what others will see and if so, fine that would be very rare though.

'I'm querying whether, statistically, I'm better off crossing the road to avoid a cisgender man or a transgender woman'

You are asking if you are better off crossing the road to avoid a man or a man. It's a puzzle.

And statistically she’d be better off sticking with the “cis” man anyway.

The debate is not really about trans identities, it’s about men. Once you let some men in, you let all men in. There is no longer gate keeping. This was baked into gender ideology with its insistence that one’s gender expression ( how you dress and look) does not need to match your gender identity.

We can’t tell which men are the ‘nice’ ones so we keep all men out of women’s spaces.