Aren't transpeople still a tiny minority?

[Waheymum]

Over about fifteen years, I've noticed growing awareness and concern about transpeople. This may be my age and simply a case of when people I knew started to transition.
What I'm wondering is whether there are statistics further to the last census on how many people are transitioning or have transitioned. This is because I'm pretty sure that men are still a bigger threat to women's safety than transgender (m-f) women are. I'm not saying that no transwoman poses a risk to women, I'm querying whether, statistically, I'm better off crossing the road to avoid a cisgender man or a transgender woman (if, hypothetically, one were on each side of the road).

Well, plenty of people of either sex happily sign up to sexism to keep a sexist man they love happy, so you aren't an outlier.

I'm not going to agree that the fact one man is made happier by playacting his sexist ideas about woman's minds makes it ok.

I’m sure trans women want the comparator under equality law to be with ordinary women. So if we were comparing a normal woman and a trans woman, hands down, cross the road to the side with the woman on it. No statistics will tell you otherwise.

cis is an offensive term HTH.

It really doesn’t matter whether your child is gentle or is not, if your child is not female they are not any type of female person.

They may not be forcing a demand, but the very fact that they want to be treated, even just in language, as female when they are not, is making a demand. Because they are the male person who demands female language to be able to live as they want to live.

There is no way that your child is experiencing the life of a female, yet expects female language to be used by anyone, even if it is not a general societal expectation. By wanting to live as something that they are never going to be is about having their subjective reality treated as if it is material reality for anyone else.

It also revolves around sexist conceptualisations because it means a male person cannot live life as being any kind of male person he wants, he feels instead that if he doesn’t fit his own sexist categorisation of what a male person is, he must be female somehow. Any use of female language for a male person is harmful collectively for female people.

Thing is, transwomen are men. And we have laws and safeguarding policies in place to protect and provide dignity/privacy to women and men.

We have these laws and policies in place to mitigate the risk of discrimination and harm. And by their nature, there will always be situations that these laws and policies don’t work for. But you can’t make policy and law around edge cases or based on individuals being “lovely” or “nice” or “just wanting to live their lives”

The vast majority of teachers are not out to groom young people for nefarious reasons. But we still have safeguarding in place to protect young people from any teacher who is a wrong-un - because they don’t go around with a sign above their head telling everyone they are a bad apple.

Same with transwomen. They are men and we have to ensure they adhere to the same safeguards that all men (and women) are bound by when it comes to single sex spaces and provisions.

Once you start making edge case exceptions for transwomen, you destroy safeguarding and anti-discrimination policies because then ANY man can use this as a loophole to do harm and gain benefits from women.

There are plenty of males who are gentle souls who wouldn't hurt a fly. Unfortunately for us females, predatory males don't come with warning lights. That's why we have single sex spaces. To exclude ALL males just in case.

We also have single sex spaces for our comfort and dignity. A male who chooses to identify as a woman has absolutely no right to invade those spaces. Nether legally nor morally.

Excellent point! If you’re walking home in the dark and there’s a transwoman on one side of the street and an actual woman on the other, which side would you cross to, OP and why?

I'd look for a bear to walk next to.

I was thinking I would choose the bear too.

As long as it’s an actual bear & not a furry.

I wonder sometimes what would happen if, all toilets suddenly had a 'trans' option, plus sport, plus changing rooms, rape crisis/refuges etc. Would this satisfy the male trans population or would they say there is no need, we want to be with the women and what this would signify.

I know the answer to that one. They’d say it was outing / othering / triggering / genicidal.

Interesting that all @Diverze kids friends are ALL autistic.

There's a very strong link between autism and people pretending to be women/men

What if you were walking along and the options were a male who thinks he’s Henry the 8th and any female that doesn’t subjugate to him should be beheaded, or another female?

If they all really stay out of female spaces, which I assume means using unisex ones when possible & male ones when not, that’s at least an improvement.

I remember when there was a trans-identifying bloke on a panel at FiLiA (not Hayton) who said that if a unisex space wasn’t available he’d use the women’s one. That was very unpopular with the audience, & he was meant to be one of the reasonable ones.

Who's doing the gushing? And, more interestingly, why?

The whole problem with gender ideology is that it allows any man to claim to be a woman and access women’s facilities and activities.

You only have to think about it a short while to work out which men are most likely to take advantage of this opportunity.

Joking aside, I don't cross the street to avoid anyone. Male, female, trans, not trans, old, young, race, whatever. Most people, including most men whatever gender they present as, are not an immediate physical or sexual threat.

That doesn't mean trans women alone, out of all the men who aren't a threat, should get special access to women because they are somehow mentally "more like women" than other men are.

And it doesn't stop the collective entitlement of men over women being a systemic threat to women's safety: sexual and physical yes, but also emotional, financial and social, and the chilling effect this has on how we move through society and on whether we have the practical freedom to make full use of our theoretically equal opportunities.

But it only takes one. Are you willing to put your hand up and offer to take one for the team? Are you willing to be the one so the rest of us aren’t?

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Real ones? I would say they are a tiny minority.

Those pretending to be transgender to have access to women, women spaces and vulnerable women, are they really transgenders? Don’t think so. At all.

So @Waheymum to answer your OP.

”I'm pretty sure that men are still a bigger threat to women's safety than transgender (m-f) women are.”

If you are talking in raw numbers, sure there are less male people who have declared that they have transgender identities. So what?

The risk factor is the key. And there is no evidence at all that a male person with a transgender identity is less likely to cause a female person harm than any other male person. So, that male person on one side of the street carries the same risk of harm as the male person on the other side of the street.

That also makes sense when you consider the studies have now shown that male people retain male pubertal advantages even with suppression of testosterone which includes male people having 160% punch power.

We build risk factors by reviewing the crime data and criminality patterns of the population.

You saying ‘there are less male people with a transgender identity’ is meaningless in the context of understanding the risk assessment.

Are you suggesting that the only reason for keeping trans women out of women's spaces are we can't tell them from the predators? I disagree. Even if we could tell the "true" trans women from the fetishists, and predators , I still think it's fine to want spaces free of men.

I’m probably most cautious when I’ve been to a women’s rights event & I’m wearing a WRN or Adult Human Female or Keep Prisons Single Sex top.

There was one lovely occasion when I was with 2 other women, none of us above 5 foot 2, & we were surrounded by TRAs. Fortunately the police turned up soon after.

Ewww!! I agree.

Men with curly ginger hair are also a tiny minority. What’s your point?