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"Darlington Nurses" vs County Durham and Darlington NHS Trust Tribunal Thread

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ThreeWordHarpy · 07/10/2025 19:20

Five nurses working at Darlington Memorial Hospital have filed a legal case suing their employer, an NHS trust, for sexual harassment and sex discrimination. The nurses object to sharing the women’s changing facilities with a male colleague, “Rose”, who:

  • identifies as female
  • has not undergone any physical or hormonal transition and has full male genitalia
  • has cited inclusivity policies
  • is backed by the trust’s HR department
  • has been granted access to a single-sex changing room for women.

The NHS trust’s HR department dismissed the nurses’ concerns, stating they should “broaden their mindset” and “be educated”. More details can be found at Sex Matters

The hearing is due to start on October 20th and is scheduled to last 3 weeks. To view the hearing online email: [email protected] [[email protected]] requesting remote access to the case of 2501192/2024 Hutchinson and others Vs County Durham and Darlington NHS Trust, starting 20th October. Also include your full name and your role in the hearing (eg member of the public or observer). Note, it is likely you will need the same full name and email address to log into the hearing, and the name will be visible to other observers.

The hearing will be live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets. An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets have more background to this case on their substack, including links to their coverage of the earlier hearings.

In earlier hearings reported at http://archive.today/nh5v9, the claimants were supported by the Christian Legal Centre and represented by Pavel Stroilov (solicitor) and Bruno Quentaville (barrister). The respondents were represented by Simon Cheetham KC. We do not know yet if the same representation will be in place for the October hearing

Background information from Christian Concern who are supporting the nurses via the CLC.

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MyrtleLion · 22/10/2025 13:52

From TT

NF to know re consistency when anonimity was requested.
J I shld have checked that no changes to list of issues?
SC Agree is no time limit to the list
NF Wld it be sensible if we explained the convention re pronouns etc in the ruling? For yr consideration and not a submission

ThreeWordHarpy · 22/10/2025 13:52

I'm in but no video, only sound.

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GCITC · 22/10/2025 13:53

ThreeWordHarpy · 22/10/2025 13:52

I'm in but no video, only sound.

We've been told it's only sound, no video.

MyrtleLion · 22/10/2025 13:53

From TT

J We'll refer to Rose as Rose and ?
SC We're just waiting for the email
J I'm not going to delay further
SC I'm not asking you to
J Have you received it Moss Gilbert? [No]
J We're hearing from Mrs Danson?
Yes [swears in]

CriticalCondition · 22/10/2025 13:54

Well, this is a first. The clerk in my 'room' following some queries from observers in the chat has said that it's sound only, no visuals.

lnks · 22/10/2025 13:54

I have video

ThreeWordHarpy · 22/10/2025 13:54

GCITC · 22/10/2025 13:53

We've been told it's only sound, no video.

We've not had that message in our room.

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nauticant · 22/10/2025 13:54

Whatever could be the reason for not allowing the public to see those giving evidence I wonder?

GCITC · 22/10/2025 13:54

lnks · 22/10/2025 13:54

I have video

Lucky you!

ickky · 22/10/2025 13:55

@GCITC

So no video at all?

I thought the clerk had messed up.

thewaythatyoudoit · 22/10/2025 13:55

nauticant · 22/10/2025 13:54

Whatever could be the reason for not allowing the public to see those giving evidence I wonder?

Potentially distressing for nurse witnesses?

MyrtleLion · 22/10/2025 13:55

Allison Bailey's appeal hearing has concluded.

Maria Kelly vs Leonardo submissions are being heard now but will be released by TT2 tomorrow.

Aside from medical professionals my full attention is here.

unwashedanddazed · 22/10/2025 13:55

I can't hear this witness at all and no video either!

MyrtleLion · 22/10/2025 13:55

From TT

J Please take a seat. We'll try to take the stress from this sitn as much as possible. Plse familiarise yrself with what you have. Be aware the cups are v flimsy. Y'll be asked Qs by both counsel but try to reply to us

NapoleonsToe · 22/10/2025 13:56

I've suddenly got sound and video 🤷

GCITC · 22/10/2025 13:56

ickky · 22/10/2025 13:55

@GCITC

So no video at all?

I thought the clerk had messed up.

Nope. Told we should be able to see and then said it was audio only.

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 22/10/2025 13:56

WarriorN · 22/10/2025 13:33

Jeez, I know it's still going on but that was a painful watch! Nothing between the ears except TRA buzz phrases. Sounds like she knows absolutely nothing about the court case either, just saw an opportunity to look all virtuous in front of her equally insufferable vapid mates.

Maybe in years to come, her teenage kids might stumble upon this video and ask "mum, is this you talking bollocks when you were our age?" and she'll absolutely cringe 😂

MyrtleLion · 22/10/2025 13:57

From TT

NF People need to speak up as hard to hear at the back
J We'll all do our best
NF Please turn to p30 of the bundle KD. Is that yr signature/contents true?
KD Yes
NF Turn to p307. A plan of the CR. A SS in DSU that u refer to?
Yes

CriticalCondition · 22/10/2025 13:57

My sound from counsel and the judge is very clear. From the witness it's barely audible. Still no picture.

KeepTalkingBeth · 22/10/2025 13:57

CriticalCondition · 22/10/2025 13:54

Well, this is a first. The clerk in my 'room' following some queries from observers in the chat has said that it's sound only, no visuals.

Is this another sabotage of open justice by TRAs blow drying your hair on camera moment?

YouCantProveIt · 22/10/2025 13:57

I have noise and visual. I am an observer.

weegielass · 22/10/2025 13:57

wonder if the morning was spent complaining about media attention / TT in a similar manner that NHS Fife tried to complain

katmarie · 22/10/2025 13:58

I can't hear the witness at all, and absolutely no visual. I'm not terribly impressed, there should have been plenty of awareness this would be a high profile hearing.

ickky · 22/10/2025 13:58

The clerk needs to pin the tribunal screen, is anyone free to ring them, no response in the chat?

0330 808 9405

thewaythatyoudoit · 22/10/2025 13:58

Judge trying to relax Karen. He has the more scratchy voice, NF quite a strong, fruity voice. I havent heard SC

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