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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Custody officer job withdrawn for GC beliefs - Gribbon (SP legal team) is his solicitor

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InterrobangsArePureBias · 02/08/2025 11:12

I wonder how many more of such actions will be launched. To adapt Jimmy Doyle’s phrase, “the spectacle of this nation’s [lanyard classes] enforcing moral auto-lobotomy as a condition of entry to [employment]”.

A prison custody officer who was sacked for saying he would not address male-born transgender inmates as ‘she’ or ‘her’ has launched legal action against one of the UK’s largest security firms.
Army veteran David Toshack, 50, was dismissed by GEOAmey during a training course only days before taking up a role as a prison custody officer (PCO) at Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court.
The father of three told a safeguarding workshop that he would not be comfortable using a transgender inmates’ preferred gender pronouns and expressed his belief that a man could not become a woman.
It sparked a horrified reaction from bosses at the firm, which employs thousands of justice workers across the UK, who said his views were against the law and company policy.

He said: ‘I’m just a normal, working class person who’s never been in trouble with the law before, not got a criminal record, lived a good life. I’ve been prepared to go and fight and die for my country, and then I have come back here and been told that there’s certain things you can’t think or can’t say.’

https://archive.is/bxjqC

Original story about David Toshack in Daily Mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14963309/Prison-custody-officer-sacked-refusing-call-male-born-trans-prisoners-her.html

I was sacked for refusing to call trans prisoners 'she', says officer

A prison custody officer who was sacked for saying he would not address male-born transgender inmates as 'she' or 'her' has launched legal action against one of the UK's largest security firms.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14963309/Prison-custody-officer-sacked-refusing-call-male-born-trans-prisoners-her.html

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MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 12:04

From TT

DT - what are you saying
MM - you think pronouns are a lie
DT - I would tick the box for the biological sex
MM - in contradiction to the policy
MM - in terms of you leaving the room, she asked and you agreed
DT - she asked and I agreed

HamSandwichIrnBru · 29/01/2026 12:05

So what if the TP sees the form? They know the truth, same as we all do.

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 12:05

I would record sex and write Transgender in the writey area.

Men should be in men's prisons. Even Nicola Sturgeon agreed that by 2024.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 29/01/2026 12:06

If the PER firm didn’t refer to sex then what would he need to tick for NB?

These questions are driving me crazy. DT was spot on yesterday with his references to the Emperor’s New Clothes.

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 12:06

From TT

MM - do you agree that the convo had gotten out of control
DT - I thought it was that she wasn't open to having the discussion
MM - so you thought that she didn't like being challenged, maybe she didn't want you to be challenging policies in the training room.
DT - not from my

HamSandwichIrnBru · 29/01/2026 12:06

ickky · 29/01/2026 12:04

Does the Policy say they have to record the sex as biological sex rather than gender?

I don't think MM wants to talk about that!

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 12:07

From TT

perspective
MM - she came out of the room, she said that your tone and demeanour were escalating
DT - I don't know what she means by escalating, we continued the discussion
MM - she says you constantly interrupted her, cut her off
DT - I did not

SternJoyousBeev2 · 29/01/2026 12:07

This guy is a complete prick

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 12:07

She didn't like him challenging her and then made shit up to back up her view of him.

HamSandwichIrnBru · 29/01/2026 12:08

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 12:05

I would record sex and write Transgender in the writey area.

Men should be in men's prisons. Even Nicola Sturgeon agreed that by 2024.

Edited

This is what we do on medical forms. Only a total moron would record the wrong sex.

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 12:10

From TT

MM - she said you were getting more and more charged, more and more aggressive
DT - none of that was brought up until well after.
MM - if you weren't doing anything wrong why did you leave the room.
DT - well what I was supposed to do? It would have incredibly belligerent

of me to refuse to leave the room.

MM - she told you to go the canteen and get a cup of tea.

DT - she told me to go to the canteen and I did
MM - SH said that she returned to the room to hear comments like 'its about time that happened, he's been a nightmare the whole time

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 12:10

Interesting how accusations are actually confessions on the part of the accuser.

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 12:11

From TT

this is not the line of work for him'.
DT - I do not believe that. I had not been a nightmare.
MM - Now on to the bundle, did you get a copy of the bundle to prepare for the hearing,
DT - I don't think so,
MM - specifically about the note of the meeting

AnSolas · 29/01/2026 12:11

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 10:54

Women who join the infantry have to pass the same tests as men. Given their smaller stature and mass, the women who get through are truly exceptional. Imagine if you reduced the time and increased the pack size proportionally for men to mirror what the women are doing. You'd have very few men in the infantry.

Women bring other skills than speed and strength. Shooting is one thing I can say is roughly equal, assuming the gun isn't heavy. Before the handgun ban I regularly took medals in pistol, beating men easily.

Agreed

The sholder mass to cushion recoil of ARs etc.

Women "win" on endurance as shown in "time and distance" races

Women hip carry children for hours if stuck with Im tired strops.

Its a one size fits all cant apply to everything

HamSandwichIrnBru · 29/01/2026 12:12

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 12:10

Interesting how accusations are actually confessions on the part of the accuser.

DARVO, as ever

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 12:13

From TT

reading out parts of the meeting note, do you remember saying when I person is obviously male, can't refer to them as female,
DT - I would have said something along those lines that I would not refer to them as the opposite sex
MM - if a TP has a GRC we have to treat them as

MyAmpleSheep · 29/01/2026 12:14

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 12:10

From TT

MM - she said you were getting more and more charged, more and more aggressive
DT - none of that was brought up until well after.
MM - if you weren't doing anything wrong why did you leave the room.
DT - well what I was supposed to do? It would have incredibly belligerent

of me to refuse to leave the room.

MM - she told you to go the canteen and get a cup of tea.

DT - she told me to go to the canteen and I did
MM - SH said that she returned to the room to hear comments like 'its about time that happened, he's been a nightmare the whole time

MM - SH said that she returned to the room to hear comments like 'its about time that happened, he's been a nightmare the whole time

Did anything of that nature appear in the appraisals that were being done throughout the course?

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 12:14

From TT

that sex, you said you would not lie
DT - something along those line
MM - if you call a male person female, are you not just following the policy, not telling a lie, just following a policy
DT - if you refer to a man as woman, that is telling a lie

potpourree · 29/01/2026 12:15

Supposedly aggressive person being asked to leave the room and MM says if he wasn't doing anything wrong he shouldn't have left?!

SternJoyousBeev2 · 29/01/2026 12:16

What ‘law’ states one must use wrong sexed pronouns? Other than the law according to Stonewall. What is the legal policy that requires someone to call a man a woman????

potpourree · 29/01/2026 12:16

MM - if you call a male person female, are you not just following the policy, not telling a lie, just following a policy

Oh dear
"Just following orders" to excuse dishonesty. Does that go down well on employment tribunals?

SternJoyousBeev2 · 29/01/2026 12:17

‘The computer says no’.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 29/01/2026 12:18

I hope DH asks some good questions once this clown is finished ….

HamSandwichIrnBru · 29/01/2026 12:18

potpourree · 29/01/2026 12:15

Supposedly aggressive person being asked to leave the room and MM says if he wasn't doing anything wrong he shouldn't have left?!

Of course, he should've stayed in the room with a woman who's now claiming she was scared of him 🙄

Hedgehogforshort · 29/01/2026 12:18

So a biological male in a prison for men, must be referred to as female, she and her, because he says so.

MADNESS

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