Katy Montgomerie

[niadainud]

Just wondering what people think about her. I was sent a link by someone, and I do occasionally try to watch the views of pro-trans people for "balance", but I really struggled with this one.

I find her excessively pleased with herself, incoherent, ageist and of course prone to flinging around insults such as "TERF", "transphone" and "bigot" every few minutes.

I'm not quite sure what gives her the confidence to "diss" people like Helen Joyce, Richard Dawkins et al, as if they're idiots and she is some sort of intellectual giant.

She says things like this: "The UK's Supreme Court ruled on "biological sex", but they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. The "Gender Critical" position on biology is just factually wrong. Finally hundreds of experts in the field come together to call out all this anti-science rubbish"

Other than being trans herself, does she have any justifiable claim to the superior knowledge she purports to have?

Was this the Helen Joyce who recently went on record saying that every trans person who is allowed to access gender affirming care is 'a huge problem for a sane society'?

The same one who was caught on the train openly reading pornographic material about children? That Helen Joyce?

Having to balance the needs of female people for single sex provisions and the demands of male people who demand access to those provisions is indeed a significant issue.

The fact that you believe that female people should simply acquiesce to your demands to be treated as if you are female is yet another indication that you simply follow a misogynistic belief that female people do not count. You can continue to bring up Helen Joyce’s statement about the reality of the situation as if she is hateful all you want, and everytime you do so, those reading gain an understanding to look beyond the emotional wheedling and reasoning that they see male people perform to convince society to accept them as female people, when they are male people.

I also doubt that after your support of abusive actions of some male people, people will consider you as creditable on trying to position yourself as some kind of arbiter of acceptable behaviour. Not that Helen Joyce’s comment was untrue in any way, but she was blunt.

But hey, good luck in trying to position yourself as some kind of commentator on appropriate behaviour. You have already supported male abusers in your posts on this very thread.

Blunt and also a purveyor of pornographic material about characters who are children from one of the most popular children's stories in the world.

This isn't some obscure anonymous figure either - she's one of the main driving personalities behind the Gender Critical movement, intimately involved with Sex Matters.

Who is on record spouting exterminationist rhetoric and calling for a reduction in the number of trans people.

And reading porn. About children.

Reader’s Note.

The ‘exterminationist’ hyperbole that Helen Joyce was accused of relates to a wish that people, particularly children, receive excellent mental health care before receiving life limiting and potentially life shortening treatments to make their bodies fit their philosophical belief about their personal identity. Particularly given the lack of evidence that these treatments improve long term mental or physical health.

It is nothing like this poster has framed it.

Nor is this accusation of porn. Helen Joyce is a journalist and was researching an article at the time. However, if you wish to take a male poster’s view on this, that is your choice. Remembering of course, the poster has shown just what they personally support as per this thread.

As I have said. I personally don’t think a male person who supports the posting of photos of JK Rowling as a sick gotcha or who thinks that male abusers should be able to expect anyone to use their demanded female language - particularly their victims, really has any moral judgment at this point.

She was 'caught' on a train 'openly reading' - that's very strange terminology.

This explains the train incident in case anyone is tempted to take Butterfly's rantings at face value.

mailchi.mp/sex-matters/memo-2024-9?ref=thehelenjoyce.com

Reading porn on a train where anyone could see is creepy enough; reading child porn in any context is horrifying but the fact she did it on a train is especially😬

Maybe start with the trans identifying ones first, or the ones who have been vocal supporters of trans ideology, then it might only take a few weeks to list them all, which will be just about when Butters flutters back to the forum he constantly claims is terrible.

I agree with Helen Joyce.

Perhaps you could explain to us heretics what 'gender affirming care' is intended to achieve?

What exactly is being affirmed? Why do you think people's bodies need to be altered to fit some illusion in their heads that their bodies should resemble the opposite sex? What is the actual purpose of this medical 'treatment'? It results in individuals being sterilised and having impaired sexual function as well as all sorts of other problems due to messing around with hormones and complications of major surgery. What on earth is it for?

I can see all the negative outcomes, but what are the positives? There don't appear to be any.

Well, it prevents suicide by making life more liveable for those who are suicidally dysphoric.

It generally pays for itself after a few years in terms of quality of living, workplace productivity and income (and thus tax) brackets.

It allows people who experience gender incongruence to get on with living their lives in a way that is as congruent - within the constraints of current technology - as possible with their neurotype.

People aren't gametes, and nor are they solely gamete producers. Reductionist models that treat them as such are vile and inhumane. We do our best with what we can to help people who find themselves at the mercy of the crueller legacies of our evolutionary past.

I don’t think of him at all really.

when I’ve encountered him online, it reinforces just how great it is not to think of Colin.

he’s quite the misogynist.

im interested in why you miss sex him OP?

Well, it prevents suicide by making life more liveable for those who are suicidally dysphoric.

Shame the evidence doesn’t back up such a claim. So all that effort for no benefit.

Perhaps if Labour released the stats we'd be able to see the effect of denying gender affirming care to a generation of children.

They seem to have mysteriously gone to the same place as their membership stats, however.

I had a debate with him once.

He thinks censorship is the same as the 'marketplace of ideas'.

I asked him how he would feel if it was his side being censored.

He said something like, he'd cross that bridge when he came to it.

Oh look, they have:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust

Of course this is to be expected, given we always knew so-called “gender affirming care” was not a suicide prevention measure, as admitted by Strangio under cross examination by SCOTUS. There was no suicide epidemic that was “fixed” by GAC, it’s a myth perpetrated by people like you to justify body attainment goals to match children’s declared “gender identities”. It has subsequently been acknowledged by Dutch clinicians that “passing” has always been the goal outcome of sterilising children.

So, we have clinicians who confirm that suicides have been weaponised and thankfully are not higher that those of the comorbid conditions that too often accompany the diagnosis of gender dysphoria, we have other evidence released by governments that confirm this, and we have testimony to the SCOTUS from an expert witness that confirms the numbers also.

Maybe posters will stop making misinformed posts about this specific topic as it is harmful.

Not only that but we also have the support of female people having to accept the additional abuse of using female language for their male abusers. We have the support of male people performing misogynistic acts. We have a significant distortion of what Helen Joyce has said and done. We have had the dramatic mischaracterisation of recognising male body cues. We have the hyperbolic usage of the word genocide by an organisation who cannot accept balancing of the needs of female people with the demands of male people and we ended with the weaponisation of suicide.

Gosh! The tactics haven’t improved by this poster. However, I think I have noticed that Montgomery has used similar tactics often enough too.

I'm talking about Labour actually releasing the stats rather than the p-hacked books cooked up by the NHS chief enshittifier. Caroline Litman has evidence of multiple children who were deliberately excluded from the 2024 damage control doc, corroborated by GIDS staff whistleblowers last year.

So you have a legitimate source for this claim? Post it then.

It's telling to me that you’re desperate for there to have been suicides to make your point, instead of being relieved it isn’t the concern you think it is.

Well, it prevents suicide by making life more liveable for those who are suicidally dysphoric.
It generally pays for itself after a few years in terms of quality of living, workplace productivity and income (and thus tax) brackets.

Do you have any evidence to back up these claims?

It allows people who experience gender incongruence to get on with living their lives in a way that is as congruent - within the constraints of current technology - as possible with their neurotype.

How does radical cosmetic surgery, sterilisation and disruption of someone's hormone balance achieve this? What do you mean by "living their lives in a way that is congruent with their neurotype"? How does extreme body modification achieve this congruence? What do you think is so different about men's and women's lives that only modification of the body to resemble the opposite sex can allow people to live as they want to?

People aren't gametes, and nor are they solely gamete producers. Reductionist models that treat them as such are vile and inhumane. We do our best with what we can to help people who find themselves at the mercy of the crueller legacies of our evolutionary past.

Do you believe that sterilisation is the only possible solution to trans people's dislike of their bodies?

Evidence shows it increases suicide.

"It allows people who experience gender incongruence to get on with living their lives in a way that is as congruent - within the constraints of current technology - as possible with their neurotype.
People aren't gametes, and nor are they solely gamete producers. Reductionist models that treat them as such are vile and inhumane. We do our best with what we can to help people who find themselves at the mercy of the crueller legacies of our evolutionary past."

Please try and sound like a normal human being, not someone who has programmed an AI program with a technical thesaurus. You're not impressing anyone. And you're not making yourself understood, so you are wasting your time.

You want stats on not sterilising children?

Oh yes, any stats that don't confirm your agenda are 'hacked' (at least I presume that's what you meant, unless 'p-hacked' is simply an error in your AI computer programming).

If you had evidence of any of this, you'd post it. But you never, ever, ever post any evidence or sources to back up your claims. And we all know why.

so you condemn the TW who complained to the train company that their wifi wouldn’t let him access porn also? I mean, he publicly complained. He wanted to access porn whilst on a train so you’ll be posting and condemning him right?
But as I said previously. You are a proven liar. I wouldn’t trust you to tell me the sky was blue.

im interested in why you miss sex him OP?

But not sufficiently interested to read my posts, apparently.

Yes, the train phone vs

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