Katy Montgomerie

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Just wondering what people think about her. I was sent a link by someone, and I do occasionally try to watch the views of pro-trans people for "balance", but I really struggled with this one.

I find her excessively pleased with herself, incoherent, ageist and of course prone to flinging around insults such as "TERF", "transphone" and "bigot" every few minutes.

I'm not quite sure what gives her the confidence to "diss" people like Helen Joyce, Richard Dawkins et al, as if they're idiots and she is some sort of intellectual giant.

She says things like this: "The UK's Supreme Court ruled on "biological sex", but they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. The "Gender Critical" position on biology is just factually wrong. Finally hundreds of experts in the field come together to call out all this anti-science rubbish"

Other than being trans herself, does she have any justifiable claim to the superior knowledge she purports to have?

Here's the link to the 'genocide' warning BH is referring to. 🫠

Oh FFS. DSDs are not an ideology. 🤬

They ALWAYS drag DSDs into it. They have nothing else to prop their batshit agenda up on - even though it doesn't help it at all 🤡

It's like saying Downs Syndrome or diabetes is an ideology. Really gets my goat.

Surely the only people committing trans genocide are the ones sterilising gender non conforming children.

Certainly most women (actual women) who appear in the news as guilty of sexual offences are acting in collusion with one or more men. You almost never see lone women guilty of sexual offences, with most examples I think being teachers or other women in positions of authority having sexual relations with underage teenagers (I'm not saying this is OK, just that this seems to be the most common offence from this group).

Some discussion here https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/preventing-sexual-violence/women-who-commit-sexual-offences-improving-assessment-to-prevent-recidivism/124BC8852399E668E04635BFC92CF912 - "Our understanding of what motivates women to sexually offend has improved over recent years (Gannon and Cortoni, 2010). Motivations include, for example, the need for intimacy and the need to satisfy or support male co-offenders (Harris, 2010). The latter highlights the potentially misleading nature of statistics, as co-offending with a male partner is common (Wijkman et al, 2011)."

All human beings have essential dignity in their humanity, but one still cannot change sex, and people who adopt trans identities remain either male or female. By trying to impose the idea that men can actually be women you strip actual women of essential dignity in their sex. Trying to reconceptualise being female into a matter of personal choice, feelings or identity is not very respectful at all.

Airy fairy platitudes about 'kindness' etc disguise inherent disrespect and total lack of consideration for the everyday reality of the female sex.

“The Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention and Human Security would like to bring attention to and condemn recent judicial and governmental developments in the United Kingdom, which attempt to harm transgender and intersex people in the UK by stripping them of privacy and segregating them as ‘others.’ The Lemkin Institute believes these moves are part of a broader process of erasure. It is not only government action but also the media narrative that has fuelled hostility to and debate about the humanity of trans and intersex people while ignoring their voices. We see evidence of genocidal intent and actions targeting these communities.”

So indeed the political leveraging of people with DSDs is clear here.

However, again any organisation that views the balancing of human rights as “stripping them of privacy and segregating them as ‘others.’” is one that is not proportionate in its analysis. It is indeed ideological.

But I can see some people need to grab hold of anything they can to justify their misogyny.

That's still vague as anything. Do they mean actual killing and torturing en masse? If so, why not say it? If not, why not say what they do mean?

"have the potential to radicalize and/or bring together destructive historical trajectories and move a society further towards a mass atrocity event aimed at destroying one or more collective identities."

I genuinely think that a lot of this 'debate' could be put to bed if people started using language honestly and actually cared about communicating what it is they actually believe.

If people have an issue with what you call 'transness' it is that the very concept, by its nature, violates the boundaries of other people; other groups, and the very nature of earthly reality. Why might you expect people to prioritise this concept ( adopted by some) above their own lived realities. 'Transness' demands to be centred at all times......or at least the version pushed by you and many others does.

No, this is what they mean

And yet Nicola Murray still exists

butterfly

You are welcome to believe as many anti-women conspiracy theories and fantastical stories as you wish, so long as you do not harm others.

I and many others can ask you to treat women with dignity and respect - it's up to you whether you do it, though.

So you found one. And your point is what? Would you like me to list all the lone male sex offenders? How long have you got?

Poor Katy - she has an entire thread here dedicated to going over her appearance with a pair of phrenologist's calipers looking for outward manifestations of Sin while denigrating and dismissing her for standing up to oppose the rising tide of extremist ideology in this country. I can only imagine what the KF counterparts are like.

Why is BH claiming that this entire thread is about someone's appearance?

Such an odd thing to lie about.

I suspect they are some MAGA type dedicated to making trans people look dishonest and hateful. I won't fall for it, though!

The only extremist ideology here is one that expects people to deny the reality of their sex; open the doors and give access to anyone who demands it; depends for its survival on people going along with a falsity...pretending they cannot see what it is they see.......and which talks in hyperbolic terms about 'genocide' when it doesn't get its own way.

Colin 'Katy' Montgomery has spent a fortune and decades attempting to manage his mental health issues by transforming his outward expression into someone that passes as female. And it hasn't worked. When on twitter he would sometimes post about being 'clocked'. Blame women and call for sympathy - all quickly deleted. He has had much of his social media activity cleaned by the platforms so no one can trace back. Even the wayback machine has cleaned his digital past.

I can't share any insight as he is a self created figment. A sad figure without history and likely a shortened future. It's a life dedicated to a long con.

Dies he drunk tweet?

I remember one pitiful Twitter thread bemoaning being clocked by another man in a club or pub.

“On a hen do. Guy comes up and says his name and stuf. After talking a bit he was like are you transgender. I was like why did you even ask that and out of nowhere he threw his drink over me. For no reason. I was just trying to enjoy my night. Why did he do it. I can't stop crying
Home safe

He said his name was "Oliver". He was about 5'9, white, brown hair, short beard

I was just trying to enjoy my night. I did nothing to him. I was nice even. It was totally unprovoked. Why do cis people hate us so much. I feel so bad. I don't want to be here
My cis friends stuck up for me. There were a lot of people there. I'm still shocked. I don't even know what happened. I don't know why he did it. I was just talking with my friends. Why. What is wrong with me”

I dont support anyone throwing a drink but I also don’t recall KM condemning TRAs throwing liquids at women during public gatherings. So it would be rather hypocritical of him to be so upset about the drink

He was possibly reflecting on the fact that people outside his own group saw him as the reality of his sex rather than his self identity of woman. The upset comes from being unable to control reality.

When I see his misogynistic behaviour and posts online I think back to his hen do post and remember that he wants all the empathy and sympathy whilst he shows none to females.

He is a selfish prick.

She has posted many videos denigrating people extremely thoroughly, such as Richard Dawkins and Helen Joyce. In the video about Helen there were plenty of personal comments made regarding how she is middle-aged, etc.

She also insults anyone who isn't 100% in support of trans ideology with a liberal serving of all the predictable slurs.

I think they are using that new definition of "genocide" which just means people doing something they disagree with.

Just as people now use "fascists" to refer to people who don't agree with every single one of their political views.

‘Women are facing serious dangers not during boxing matches’

not during boxing matches…..🙄

Your imago is slipping

It plays to a particular audience. Of course, people are commenting that a male person has male body cues that are clearly identifiable.

This gets twisted into ‘it is all about appearance’ to try to make it comparative to when female people are judged on their appearance. But it is convenient for those who aren’t or won’t be reading the thread, (or even that post necessarily on MN)

"Poor Katy - she has an entire thread here dedicated to going over her appearance with a pair of phrenologist's calipers looking for outward manifestations of Sin while denigrating and dismissing her for standing up to oppose the rising tide of extremist ideology in this country. I can only imagine what the KF counterparts are like."

I actually this is explains a great deal.

Here is a male person who thinks that it takes calipers for female people to be able to assess a male person's body cues to be likely to understand that those male people are male. Whereas, the sad sad reality for those male people is that it is a well tuned intuitive thing and even facial reconstruction is rarely successful because of the rest of the body cues and other cues that are not changed in the face.

But hey.... when you, a general you, think it is appropriate to post images of women as a sleight of hand so people think that they are you as a gotcha, I guess that you lack the ability to understand much about being female. As we keep telling these male posters, they might try using all the theories in the world to explain that they experience life as a female, they never can. It is just not possible and there are so many little things that show that it is just not possible.

It’s still on KF though. They know all.