Katy Montgomerie

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Just wondering what people think about her. I was sent a link by someone, and I do occasionally try to watch the views of pro-trans people for "balance", but I really struggled with this one.

I find her excessively pleased with herself, incoherent, ageist and of course prone to flinging around insults such as "TERF", "transphone" and "bigot" every few minutes.

I'm not quite sure what gives her the confidence to "diss" people like Helen Joyce, Richard Dawkins et al, as if they're idiots and she is some sort of intellectual giant.

She says things like this: "The UK's Supreme Court ruled on "biological sex", but they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. The "Gender Critical" position on biology is just factually wrong. Finally hundreds of experts in the field come together to call out all this anti-science rubbish"

Other than being trans herself, does she have any justifiable claim to the superior knowledge she purports to have?

Where has she done that?

Ive been misgendered a number of times

they were wrong 🤷🏻

What exactly is the issue with single-sex (and therefore mixed-gender) toilets? Surely if it was single-gender only, you run the risk of outing people's gender identity and exclude agender people?

The point is that men who dress like women and women who dress like men aren't easy to confuse.

91% of pеople prosecuted for sеxual offenses are cis men aged 18 plus. The biggest threat to cis women sadly comes from cis men.

Trans people make up roughly 0.5% of the UK population

I'm not entirely sure of the figures for cis women prosecuted for sexual offences, although I believe it's very low.

It would certainly be interesting to see how the remaining 9% is divided up.

I don't think Glinner and the growing pile of evidence of embarrassing friendly fire incidents are able to support this claim.

Well fewer than 2% of sex offences are committed by women. So more than 7% has to be boys under 18 or trans identifying males.

The made up incidents, you mean?

You tell me, you have eyes and can read as well?

Yes, and I don't believe a word of it. Because I wasn't born yesterday.

To use the famous quote @ButterflyHatched if you tell me a man can become a woman, I won’t believe a single word you say on any other subject. Either you are lying or deluded.

You don't have to believe me. You are welcome to believe as many anti-trans conspiracy theories and fantastical stories as you wish, so long as you do not harm others.

I and many others can ask you to treat trans people with dignity and respect - it's up to you whether you do it, though.

Why don't you take a minute to think about why women's rights are considered anti-trans.

Is it because TRA is actually MRA and you don't care that you're trying to erode our rights.

How about you ask the men pretending to be us to show some respect. They're just men who are bored or unhappy wth their male self. They are NOT women.

I always treat transpeople with dignity and respect. Even though they do not accord thst same respect and dignity to women. I have a question. You seem very invested in allowing males with a trans identity to use women’s spaces. My question is…. Why should males with a trans identity be allowed in woman’s spaces and males without a trans identity be excluded? What is the material difference between these two groups of males that accords one entry and one not?

You can't commit a hate crime against a woman unless she has a particular characteristic, for example if she is a lesbian or a Muslim or black.

Spray painting "I hate trannies" on a trans person's door is a hate crime but raping and murdering women because you hate women is not.

You can get two years longer in jail for committing exactly the same crime against a trans person compared to committing it against a woman.

So don't talk to me about hate crimes against trans people. I'm not interested.

What? Like allowing abusive male people to continue their abusive behaviour toward their victim by making their victim act as if a philosophical belief that doesn’t reflect material reality is in fact material reality? Just so you don’t get confused on this, demanding a victim refer to her abusers using female words when they are male people!

Like your full support of a male person posting images of JK Rowling as if they were pictures of him as a sick misogynist gotcha?

Like denying that a male person should disclose to a potential sex partner before engaging in a sex act that they are male?

Your very own admissions on this thread alone show that you, personally, don’t show people dignity and respect, yet you demand it be shown to you.

I am somewhat non- conforming and occasionally have been misgendered.
Guess what? I don’t fucking mind!!
As soon as I speak it’s 100% obvious that I am female.

Agent Montgomerie is doing deep work for Operation Let them Speak.

He has grown ever more unhinged and absurd. Long may he shout over other Trans types who seem more reasonable.

Look at the reaction of the OP.

Lets give one of these TAs a chance - oh wait he is a massive twat with no solid arguments.

Lets post about it on Mumsnet.

Result everyone gets angrier and more dedicated to tearing this horror down. Agent Montgomerie has done it again.

Without guys like him and Willoughby and others it would have take far longer to undermine this thing.

What becomes clear in these discussions is simply how narcissistic and misogynistic those demanding that female people allow male people access to their words and to their single sex provision really are.

This current NHS Fife case has become like a massive beacon shining on the misogyny. All those well educated people who condemned a nurse, a nurse for fucks sake, for saying this male person is intimidating and making me very distressed by being in a female single sex space. And there was no immediate action of those people checking the facts from the nurse's point of view, and I don't believe any of those doctors even bothered to check that the nurse was ok.

It is like a male person who supports other male people to abuse female people because that male person doesn't like the way that female person won't use female language for a male person who demands it. It is actually that simple.

The more these male people show their disrespect and their hatred towards female people as a collective, it really is Operation: Let them speak!

They speak, and feminists simply continue to point out the inherent misogyny and the direct and upfront misogyny of those male people. The more those male people attack female people for not acquiescing and not complying to their demands, the less support they have within society.

Women's rights aren't anti-trans.

The oppositional framing you are using only gained momentum following the evangelist right's strategic pivot to use trans rights as an LGBT wedge issue following the attainment of equal marriage.

Suddenly the UK (and US) was flooded with pop-up anti-trans campaign groups out of nowhere. I remember it was the same year that the first batch of hateful posters went up in toilets with monstrous clawed 'trans hands' that would make an HP antagonist proud.

Up until that point I'd almost started to feel safe - but the astroturfed hate campaigns have only grown in number and viciousness since then. Posters and stickers demonising trans people (especially trans women) aren't shocking anymore. They're just the shit we have to live with every day.

The Lemkin Institute has issued a warning about the UK's steady descent toward anti-trans genocide. 60 thousand people are going to London today to protest against this country's systematic destruction of the rights of one of the most vulnerable groups in society. Many of them will be cis women who are able to understand that women's rights are deeply intertwined with trans rights and that demonising a small minority group who are fighting the same fight will not, in fact, free us from patriarchal oppression.

Are we the warm up act for the protest then?

But yay!! Women's rights are not 'anti-trans'! We have agreement.

Female single sex provisions allow legitimate exceptions of all male people.

It is not based on whether someone has a philosophical belief about their own sex or not, it is based on whether a person is male or female. I believe that there is a common law precedent that describes male or female based on body formation around a reproductive role.

Female single sex provisions generally include all female people regardless of those female people's belief about their gender identity.

Exactly. Women's rights aren't anti -trans. But every time women gather to talk (Let women speak etc) up pop MRA to call women Nazis 🙄

So if women’s rights aren’t “anti trans” why are women standing up for their sex based rights called transphobes? What benefit do women get from allowing males with a trans identity into their spaces? I can see the benefit for males with a trans identity but no benefit for women. Can you ?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you show up to a peaceful women's rights demonstration with balaclavas and weapons and commit acts of violence against women, you don't get to cry "Nazis!"

You are the Nazis.