Katy Montgomerie

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Just wondering what people think about her. I was sent a link by someone, and I do occasionally try to watch the views of pro-trans people for "balance", but I really struggled with this one.

I find her excessively pleased with herself, incoherent, ageist and of course prone to flinging around insults such as "TERF", "transphone" and "bigot" every few minutes.

I'm not quite sure what gives her the confidence to "diss" people like Helen Joyce, Richard Dawkins et al, as if they're idiots and she is some sort of intellectual giant.

She says things like this: "The UK's Supreme Court ruled on "biological sex", but they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. The "Gender Critical" position on biology is just factually wrong. Finally hundreds of experts in the field come together to call out all this anti-science rubbish"

Other than being trans herself, does she have any justifiable claim to the superior knowledge she purports to have?

Him

If they're using words like woman and man but don't know what they mean when they use them, then why on Earth would anyone think they had anything of value to say on the matter?

What people think about him….

Him

Yes, ok, him. Don't really need three people to say it.

Does anyone have anything else to add?

Oh, I forgot about that wanker since I deleted my Twitter account.

He's a man, by the way.

The thing is that the Supreme Court judgment doesn't deal with "what being trans is", so being trans doesn't make you any more qualified to know what you're talking about than any other bugger.

I KNOW HE'S A MAN!!!!

Why do you say he is a wanker?

I just want to know whether I can trust my judgement that he's spouting a load of crap.

No, I agree. I don't set much store by "lived experience", at least when it comes to matters requiring any sort of specialist knowledge.

I only know him as one of those men who pretends to be a woman.

So rather than just correcting pronouns, what do you think of him?

I can't speak about this person specifically, but generally I would look at:
Are they clear about what they mean when they use terms?
Are they able to set out their own point of view, and the opposing point of view, clearly and accurately?
Are the arguments against the opposing point of view factually true and logically sound?
Do they employ fallacies such as appeal to authority, straw man arguments, etc?
Are they happy to set out where they do agree with their opponents and can they specify at which point their views diverge?

If no, then they're probably not making a sound argument.

I agree, but clearly plenty of people do think he has something of value to say.

Apparently a sizeable list of doctors and biologists wrote to the Supreme Court recently objecting to the ruling (the primary objection being the claim that sex in humans is binary). Do their arguments hold any weight?

He's an unhinged man who genuinely seems to believe that he has changed sex and has biological female in his bio on his Bluesky account.

Has spent years doing his best to get women's legal right to single sex spaces revoked.

He's an absolute horror.

Do you believe this?

Apparently a sizeable list of doctors and biologists wrote to the Supreme Court recently objecting to the ruling (the primary objection being the claim that sex in humans is binary). Do their arguments hold any weight?

Where is the document and what does it claim?

I actually love Monty😁 Of all the TRAS he is a complete dafty & has been a gift to "Let them speak" - there was a time I was convinced he was an inside man.
Talks complete bobbins & not a working brain cell to back it up.

Yeas he’s well known for spouting a load of old rubbish. The same old rubbish most TRAs spout tbf.

Sex in humans is binary and immutable.

Idiots cynically co-opting DSD's in order to (wrongly) argue that sex is a spectrum or using examples from other species does not change that fact.

I’m not quite sure what gives her the confidence to "diss" people like Helen Joyce, Richard Dawkins et al, as if they're idiots and she is some sort of intellectual giant.
Me neither but it’s a very male thing to do.

Other than being trans herself, does she have any justifiable claim to the superior knowledge she purports to have?
No.

Someone’s DP/DH works with Katy and, like a lot of people who are prolific and noisy on X, he doesn’t say boo to a goose in person. I suppose at least he’s professional.

Thanks. All these points are worth considering.

I would not say there is a great deal of clarity, no, although there are occasions where he will concede agreement with "TERFs".

Yes, that massively confused me at first until I realised he is actually a trans-woman.

Misogynistic bollocks-spouter sums it up for me - watched one of his presentations once... didn't finish it 😠

If you follow his arguments on Twitter they make no sense - he just tries to chase people down a rabbit hole of asking them what different scientific terms mean, getting more and more niche until he finds the edgiest edge case or a term he feels hasn’t been properly defined, then he thinks he has a “gotcha” that somehow magically shows that biological sex isn’t real. It’s all bollocks, of course, and can simply be answered with the ‘if a person is born with only one leg does that invalidate the fact that humans are bipeds?’ analogy.

He’s just another sad man desperate to have his delusion validated. He’s a big bloke as well, so must be difficult for him. Think Bernard Bresslaw in ‘Carry on Girls’ and you’re not far off the mark.

He doesn't agree that woman means adult human female.

He doesn't have any alternative definition to offer.

Therefore he doesn't sound like someone who knows what he's talking about.