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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Katy Montgomerie

318 replies

niadainud · 24/07/2025 19:35

Just wondering what people think about her. I was sent a link by someone, and I do occasionally try to watch the views of pro-trans people for "balance", but I really struggled with this one.

I find her excessively pleased with herself, incoherent, ageist and of course prone to flinging around insults such as "TERF", "transphone" and "bigot" every few minutes.

I'm not quite sure what gives her the confidence to "diss" people like Helen Joyce, Richard Dawkins et al, as if they're idiots and she is some sort of intellectual giant.

She says things like this: "The UK's Supreme Court ruled on "biological sex", but they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. The "Gender Critical" position on biology is just factually wrong. Finally hundreds of experts in the field come together to call out all this anti-science rubbish"

Other than being trans herself, does she have any justifiable claim to the superior knowledge she purports to have?

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 20:53

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 18:53

In response to @waitwhat23 who seems to have since deleted an unpleasant personal attack and asked me if I am a KF user:

I think I'd rather slowly gnaw my own arm off.

OP asked what Kiwi Farms was, so I told them.

I remain disappointed, though sadly not all that surprised, to see even a single poster on this board recommending the suicide-baiting eugenicist harassment nexus to others - and even doubling down to defend it, despite it still being banned by the UK for being so actively dangerous.

I might take this a little more seriously if you didn't have a reputation for ridiculous hyperbole.

But if you tend to claim that misgendering is literal violence and other such absurdities, don't be surprised if people shrug when you really are talking about neo Nazis.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 20:54

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 19:42

I wasn't aware that gender critical feminism was quite so dedicated toward policing other people's appearance and presentation and then having a tantrum when they reciprocate using your own tactics against you, but it definitely seems to be praxis for you.

Has there been another schism? If there's a new group chat, I haven't seen the contents of it yet so I'm a few weeks out of date.

I think I prefer the versions of feminism that revolve around mutual support and campaigning to end prejudice and abuse for all women, rather than perpetuating it. I don't think you're likely to find much of that on Kiwi Farms or similar sites though.

I prefer the version of feminism that revolves around actual women.

Which is also the only version of feminism.

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 20:55

Helleofabore · 25/07/2025 20:34

oh.... so you support the male people who use pictures of JK Rowling as this 'cheap shot'? Good to know, that you fully support misogyny. Isn't that ... bigoted....

I think anyone reading this and then reading about your comment about supporting women will understand that there is a direct contradiction in your words and just what you support.

It is not a surprise.

"'We can always tell' does seem to have fallen out of favour as an argument this year."

Is that because you have stopped posting in as many places? Because no, it has not fallen out of favour at all. Maybe you just stopped participating in those discussions.

Just a reminder, with filters and poses some male people might be able to convince others that they are female in images and video. However, in real life with observation, seeing movement and maybe interaction, it is highly likely that female people can tell accurately which people are male people. That doesn't change regardless of how many male people may not have that level of accuracy.

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We should warn J K Rowling that it's misogynistic to police and nitpick other women's appearance immediately!

Helleofabore · 25/07/2025 21:00

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 20:55

We should warn J K Rowling that it's misogynistic to police and nitpick other women's appearance immediately!

Does she ? Or does she also correctly identify a male person by observing their male body cues?

Your deflection has been noted though. You fully support a male person who perpetuates misogyny as a sick gotcha.

Helleofabore · 25/07/2025 21:02

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 20:55

We should warn J K Rowling that it's misogynistic to police and nitpick other women's appearance immediately!

Oh. Remember supporting an abusive male in their abuse of H
JK Rowling by censuring her reaction to that abuse is also an act of misogyny.

Is this what you are doing? Are you supporting male people in their abuse of JK Rowling because you disagree with her?

NaiveDuck · 25/07/2025 21:04

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 20:55

We should warn J K Rowling that it's misogynistic to police and nitpick other women's appearance immediately!

The only people who police and nitpick womens appearance are males.

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:04

Helleofabore · 25/07/2025 21:00

Does she ? Or does she also correctly identify a male person by observing their male body cues?

Your deflection has been noted though. You fully support a male person who perpetuates misogyny as a sick gotcha.

I don't support the misgendering of anyone, trans or cis, and think that anyone who actively and maliciously misgenders others on a systematic basis while knowing full well the psychological harm it causes is in a very strange position to be throwing stones.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 21:06

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:04

I don't support the misgendering of anyone, trans or cis, and think that anyone who actively and maliciously misgenders others on a systematic basis while knowing full well the psychological harm it causes is in a very strange position to be throwing stones.

Women don't care if they get misgendered, Butterfly.

It's one of those things that literally only hurts because it's true.

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:11

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 21:06

Women don't care if they get misgendered, Butterfly.

It's one of those things that literally only hurts because it's true.

I think you should tell that to the many nonconforming cis women who have reported how miserable it has been to use single sex facilities since the SC ruling gave every bigot in the country a green light to go out transvestigating to their heart's content

NaiveDuck · 25/07/2025 21:12

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:04

I don't support the misgendering of anyone, trans or cis, and think that anyone who actively and maliciously misgenders others on a systematic basis while knowing full well the psychological harm it causes is in a very strange position to be throwing stones.

Yet you don't care about the psychological harm it does to women, girls and rape survivors who are gaslit to mis-sex a male, a member of their oppressor sex. That causes far greater psychological harm to actual females than a mantruming male not having a female cosplay in his fetish. We don't care how males feel. You males sure don't give a stuff how us females feel. You won't even answer questions. Which proves you post in bad faith.

Annoyedone · 25/07/2025 21:17

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:04

I don't support the misgendering of anyone, trans or cis, and think that anyone who actively and maliciously misgenders others on a systematic basis while knowing full well the psychological harm it causes is in a very strange position to be throwing stones.

so you’re happy to misgender people without a trans identity but frown on other correctly sexing those with a trans identity? Wow! So you are a hypocrite?

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:18

NaiveDuck · 25/07/2025 21:12

Yet you don't care about the psychological harm it does to women, girls and rape survivors who are gaslit to mis-sex a male, a member of their oppressor sex. That causes far greater psychological harm to actual females than a mantruming male not having a female cosplay in his fetish. We don't care how males feel. You males sure don't give a stuff how us females feel. You won't even answer questions. Which proves you post in bad faith.

"I feel no threat from any trans person that might be in the toilets. I’ve never felt threatened by a trans person as it turns out.

The 69,958 thousand rapes that were reported between October 2023 and September 24 in the UK do slightly concern me, though.

91% of pеople prosecuted for sеxual offenses are cis men aged 18 plus. The biggest threat to cis women sadly comes from cis men.

Women are facing serious dangers not during boxing matches or from trans people needing a piss, but from actual violence that is carried out against them every week.

According to End Violence Against Women, every three days a woman is killed by a man
More than 100,000 girls are at risk and living with the consequences of FGM, forced marriage and honour based abuse

Kathryn Bromwich from the Guardian States that Trans people make up roughly 0.5% of the UK population and are twice as likely to be victims of crime than cis people
According to Home Office figures, this country has seen an increase in hate crimes towards trans people and cis women are supposed to focus on a threat we have yet to see manifest from a small minority of the country who are struggling to stay safe themselves."

-Kate Nash, GERM

Annoyedone · 25/07/2025 21:19

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:11

I think you should tell that to the many nonconforming cis women who have reported how miserable it has been to use single sex facilities since the SC ruling gave every bigot in the country a green light to go out transvestigating to their heart's content

Hahahaha. You’re funny. Or maybe you should listen to the many women happy they have single sex spaces free from misogynistic men demanding entry. Males do not belong in women’s spaces. However they identify.

Annoyedone · 25/07/2025 21:21

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:18

"I feel no threat from any trans person that might be in the toilets. I’ve never felt threatened by a trans person as it turns out.

The 69,958 thousand rapes that were reported between October 2023 and September 24 in the UK do slightly concern me, though.

91% of pеople prosecuted for sеxual offenses are cis men aged 18 plus. The biggest threat to cis women sadly comes from cis men.

Women are facing serious dangers not during boxing matches or from trans people needing a piss, but from actual violence that is carried out against them every week.

According to End Violence Against Women, every three days a woman is killed by a man
More than 100,000 girls are at risk and living with the consequences of FGM, forced marriage and honour based abuse

Kathryn Bromwich from the Guardian States that Trans people make up roughly 0.5% of the UK population and are twice as likely to be victims of crime than cis people
According to Home Office figures, this country has seen an increase in hate crimes towards trans people and cis women are supposed to focus on a threat we have yet to see manifest from a small minority of the country who are struggling to stay safe themselves."

-Kate Nash, GERM

How to you know they were cis men you bigot? Did you assume their gender??? I don’t know, you’re pushing the boundaries now of transphobia.

Helleofabore · 25/07/2025 21:23

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:04

I don't support the misgendering of anyone, trans or cis, and think that anyone who actively and maliciously misgenders others on a systematic basis while knowing full well the psychological harm it causes is in a very strange position to be throwing stones.

I see. So a woman who has been abused is required to further her abuse by submitting to her abuser’s demand to be referred to as a female when they are a male person?

This doesn’t surprise me at all. I understand that you cannot recognise the intricacies of consent. And this is part of consent.

You fully support female people being further abused by their abuser.

You cannot understand the inherent misogyny of using a JK Rowling’s image as a sick gotcha. And you support her abusers in perpetuating their abuse.

NaiveDuck · 25/07/2025 21:24

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:18

"I feel no threat from any trans person that might be in the toilets. I’ve never felt threatened by a trans person as it turns out.

The 69,958 thousand rapes that were reported between October 2023 and September 24 in the UK do slightly concern me, though.

91% of pеople prosecuted for sеxual offenses are cis men aged 18 plus. The biggest threat to cis women sadly comes from cis men.

Women are facing serious dangers not during boxing matches or from trans people needing a piss, but from actual violence that is carried out against them every week.

According to End Violence Against Women, every three days a woman is killed by a man
More than 100,000 girls are at risk and living with the consequences of FGM, forced marriage and honour based abuse

Kathryn Bromwich from the Guardian States that Trans people make up roughly 0.5% of the UK population and are twice as likely to be victims of crime than cis people
According to Home Office figures, this country has seen an increase in hate crimes towards trans people and cis women are supposed to focus on a threat we have yet to see manifest from a small minority of the country who are struggling to stay safe themselves."

-Kate Nash, GERM

Kate Nash? PMSL. I wonder what Ms Nash would say to the victim of Kate Dolatowski, and all the other women and girls who were raped by transwomen in our spaces? This handmaiden does not speak for most women and girls. In fact, she speaks for none of us except herself on her hands and knees for males.

Besides it's not about being raped, it's about a rape survivor having to mis-sex a male and deny our lived experience as the oppressed sex, to satisfy the sexual fetish of the oppressor and predator sex who thinks wearing a dress makes a difference. I will never, ever, ever mis-sex a male, no matter how much they want to. My psychological health matters far more than their heartless fetish.

Helleofabore · 25/07/2025 21:27

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:18

"I feel no threat from any trans person that might be in the toilets. I’ve never felt threatened by a trans person as it turns out.

The 69,958 thousand rapes that were reported between October 2023 and September 24 in the UK do slightly concern me, though.

91% of pеople prosecuted for sеxual offenses are cis men aged 18 plus. The biggest threat to cis women sadly comes from cis men.

Women are facing serious dangers not during boxing matches or from trans people needing a piss, but from actual violence that is carried out against them every week.

According to End Violence Against Women, every three days a woman is killed by a man
More than 100,000 girls are at risk and living with the consequences of FGM, forced marriage and honour based abuse

Kathryn Bromwich from the Guardian States that Trans people make up roughly 0.5% of the UK population and are twice as likely to be victims of crime than cis people
According to Home Office figures, this country has seen an increase in hate crimes towards trans people and cis women are supposed to focus on a threat we have yet to see manifest from a small minority of the country who are struggling to stay safe themselves."

-Kate Nash, GERM

So what? Kate Nash is also abusive to women she doesn’t agree with.

You are now just supporting more abuse of female people.

The pattern has been set on numerous levels tonight.

ApplesinmyPocket · 25/07/2025 21:29

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:11

I think you should tell that to the many nonconforming cis women who have reported how miserable it has been to use single sex facilities since the SC ruling gave every bigot in the country a green light to go out transvestigating to their heart's content

The latest memo which sprang up from men bitter and resentful about the SC clarification - "I know, let's go with, 'thousands of women now afraid to use their own toilets because no-one can tell what sex they are if they don't have long hair and a dress. That'll work!'"

No-one believes it, Butters. No-one, not even you.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 21:32

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:11

I think you should tell that to the many nonconforming cis women who have reported how miserable it has been to use single sex facilities since the SC ruling gave every bigot in the country a green light to go out transvestigating to their heart's content

You mean the ones who are telling great big whoppers?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 21:35

ApplesinmyPocket · 25/07/2025 21:29

The latest memo which sprang up from men bitter and resentful about the SC clarification - "I know, let's go with, 'thousands of women now afraid to use their own toilets because no-one can tell what sex they are if they don't have long hair and a dress. That'll work!'"

No-one believes it, Butters. No-one, not even you.

Because female people with short hair being challenged about their right to use women's toilets is such a likely consequence of the Supreme Court saying that male people with bad wigs shouldn't use them, isn't it?

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:38

Annoyedone · 25/07/2025 21:21

How to you know they were cis men you bigot? Did you assume their gender??? I don’t know, you’re pushing the boundaries now of transphobia.

You're really doubling down on the KF bit aren't you?

Helleofabore · 25/07/2025 21:40

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 21:35

Because female people with short hair being challenged about their right to use women's toilets is such a likely consequence of the Supreme Court saying that male people with bad wigs shouldn't use them, isn't it?

Considering I was asked often enough in my youth if I was a male, even while waiting to use toilets, I would say that this is nothing new. In fact, women and girls have always used queries such as this to safeguard their single sex spaces.

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:40

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/07/2025 21:35

Because female people with short hair being challenged about their right to use women's toilets is such a likely consequence of the Supreme Court saying that male people with bad wigs shouldn't use them, isn't it?

Not sure what wigs have to do with any of this, bad or otherwise?

Annoyedone · 25/07/2025 21:44

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:38

You're really doubling down on the KF bit aren't you?

Huh? What KF bit? Just cos you were being bigoted and assuming people’s gender? What has that got to do with me, KF or anything but your prejudices? I’d suggest some calm reflection and some shadow work. It may help you heal.

JKRismyPatronus · 25/07/2025 21:51

ButterflyHatched · 25/07/2025 21:11

I think you should tell that to the many nonconforming cis women who have reported how miserable it has been to use single sex facilities since the SC ruling gave every bigot in the country a green light to go out transvestigating to their heart's content

Well, this nonconforming woman is very happy with the SC ruling. We just need everyone to follow the rules. Males, however they identify, need to stay out of female single sex spaces and then I would be overjoyed.

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