Katy Montgomerie

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Just wondering what people think about her. I was sent a link by someone, and I do occasionally try to watch the views of pro-trans people for "balance", but I really struggled with this one.

I find her excessively pleased with herself, incoherent, ageist and of course prone to flinging around insults such as "TERF", "transphone" and "bigot" every few minutes.

I'm not quite sure what gives her the confidence to "diss" people like Helen Joyce, Richard Dawkins et al, as if they're idiots and she is some sort of intellectual giant.

She says things like this: "The UK's Supreme Court ruled on "biological sex", but they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. The "Gender Critical" position on biology is just factually wrong. Finally hundreds of experts in the field come together to call out all this anti-science rubbish"

Other than being trans herself, does she have any justifiable claim to the superior knowledge she purports to have?

No-one knows the answer to this, then.

98% of people prosecuted for sexual offenses are men who are not named Pete. The biggest threat to women sadly comes from men who are not named Pete.

Statistics are useful, as you see here! Clearly men named Pete are no threat to women at all and we can allow all the Petes into women’s spaces without any problems.

I don't think anyone can state who is "cis" or not from the data because that would need to have been specifically asked with clear definitions. The fact that no-one can say what the objective distinction is between a cis or trans person is (nor indeed a man or woman) suggests the data on that is likely to be estimated at best.

I think you may discover this to be a replicable phenomenon across a wide range of rhetorical stances.

Engaging in messaging campaigns which involve talking points that particular groups love will reliably get you compared to said groups. Even if those groups are deeply unpleasant and you do not, yourself, like being compared with them.

Wrong. But I'm not surprised you're coming out with that bollocks.

Women are not giving our rights way to appease men, and the traitorous handmaidens.

MRA tried the smear campaign and you're furious that being called a Terf or tramsphobe doesn't actually bother anyone or mean anything.

This!!

I've been 'misgendered' when I was younger and guess what, it was fine! No one fucking died, I didnt collapse in a fit of vapours and retire to a fainting couch, I turned round in my chair & just laughed while they said sorry

and then we carried on our day

because we were adults not self obsessed narcissistic cry bullies

yes, the rate that women offend at is very low..

‘Eighty-four of the 123 public and private prisons (68%) in England and Wales said that they had one or more transgender prisoners on 31st March 2024’ (from https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hmpps-offender-equalities-annual-report-2023-to-2024/hmpps-offender-equalities-report-202324#transgender-prisoners)

and trans women are disproportionately represented among people who have committed sexual crimes.

‘in 2019 81 out of the 163 transgender prisoners in England and Wales had at least one conviction for a sexual offence’ - https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/

see also https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners/

I was misgendered in the supermarket recently. I went on my way, just as I did when I was misgendered when I was younger.

All of a sudden female people being misgendered has become weaponised in the bid to allow some male people to access female single sex spaces. That is why I don’t believe there has been this dramatic increase since the SC judgement.

I think that usually happens when people say and do things that display a negative attitude toward trans people or transness in general.

I think that you shouldn't let people trick you into reframing the process of treating other human beings with dignity and respect as a zero-sum contest where one group automatically 'wins' if the other 'loses'.

But that doesn’t answer the question. What benefit do women get from allowing males with a trans identity into their spaces? There must be one, or are you just expecting women to give up their rights first “kindness”? In that case, if males with a trans identity surely are the women they claim, they would #bekind and give women the single sex spaces they want and need?

Treating women with dignity and respect includes staying out of their spaces if you're male.

Since you believe in treating all people with dignity and respect, you should welcome and comply with the SC ruling which says that all male people should stay out of women-only spaces.

I'm furious that the country I once loved and respected has been issued a formal genocide warning by an international body dedicated to preventing genocide.

A sizeable portion of the road that led us here is a direct result of the normalisation of extremist ideologies that display a negative attitude toward trans people or transness in general.

Is the genocide in the room with us now?

You should ask the Lemkin Institute. They're experts on the subject.

Ah, I'm feeling rather vindicated now.

(And yes, I have taken a screenshot of this post, just like the others)

Isn't placing any significance on being of the female sex (in language, law or policy) generally considered transphobic these days? Yet someone wouldn't even have to know trans people exist or have any negative attitudes towards them to want to discuss issues that affect female people.

We're asking BH because BH quoted them about genocide.

If BH doesn't know what they're talking about then don't bring them into the discussion.

I would suggest any organisation who makes claims about allowing legitimate discrimination to protect the needs of female people as ‘genocide’ is not an organisation that has the ability to accurately assess and analyse situations.

You can say their name in any number of attempts of an appeal to authority but it is a false appeal to authority. Just using the term ‘genocide’ in this way shows their lack of proportionate response.

The problem with the "sex is complicated" argument is not the facts, which I generally concede. I actually have no problem at all.

You know who actually has a problem?

Men like Katie Montgomery or Beth Upton who I will bet one hundred British pounds are completely 100% physically sexually genetically karyotypically phenotypically MALE. (and straight)

It is a bit Alanis, that if they ever follow this thread to its conclusion and create a system of tests for Biophysical Transness Diagnostic Criteria, it's going to chug away for three minutes and come back with

BONG! 100% MALE! BONG!

Then what? The whole thing rests on creating strategic doubt about their biological sex, when they know that we know that they know, they are just basic males with special gender identity.

JFC.

Killing 6m Jews is genocide. Keeping sex based spaces just that, for the safety of women and girls at the expense of mentally ill men and predators accessing those spaces under the guise of trans is not. Transfolk are the safest demographic in the UK. Its women being killed at the rate of 2 a week. By men. Bore off with your pearl clutching. Won't somebody think of the poor menz 😱😱😱🙄

It's a conspiracy theory that men can't become women 😭

Butterfly, are you able to say exactly what it is you mean when you use the word "genocide"?

If you don't know, or if you think it's about hurt feelings, please feel free not to answer or pretend I've asked something else.

Lol, this is what the LI have said about the 'genocide' the UK is commiting - 'ninth stage of genocide: Denial of identity'

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

NO ONE CARES ABOUT HOW ANY MAN IDENTIFIES. They're still male, and need to stay out of female spaces, that's all. Its not difficult. Chill out.

😅😅

And what you mean by a conspiracy theory.