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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

SNP plan to 'refresh' laws on toilet provision in schools

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nythbran2 · 13/02/2025 08:12

Story in today's Times www.thetimes.com/article/64988568-1ea5-4f16-aa0c-83ecebd44a02?shareToken=6d08ef6833741b57df8eb15542b5b268

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Glamourreader · 13/02/2025 08:35

They can't say there are no dangers to girls from unisex toilets. If they carry on installing them it can only be that they don't care.

Mylovelygreendress · 13/02/2025 10:08

My teenage granddaughter and her friends physically blocked the girls’ toilets in a Scottish Secondary School to stop a boy entering.
The head teacher said they needed to “ be kind” 😡

WhatAMessWales · 13/02/2025 12:59

This report has some info about the trendy rollout of mixed sex toilets in Wales, the risks and practical implications: Mixed sex toilets in Wales' schools – breaking the law - Merched Cymru The quotes from teachers about the problems are really striking.

The argument is that open plan toilets with fully enclosed cubicles prevents bullying, but I've yet to see any research or evidence of this. I'd have thought it just pushes the bullying/ bad behaviour into the cubicles which are then impossible to supervise, as you can't even overhear what's going on in there.

Some more relevant links here:

Hygiene and health risks

Male toilets are dirtier than female toilets. Unisex toilets are worst of all:
Hospital toilets harbor multi-drug resistant "superbugs", study finds

Poorly ventilated toilets (such as those with full height doors...) have a higher cross infection risk
Public toilets with insufficient ventilation present high cross infection risk - PMC

Assault
Teenage boy arrested after girls 'sexually assaulted' in gender-neutral school toilets | UK | News | Express.co.uk
Man pulled woman into nightclub toilet cubicle and attempted to rape her - Wales Online
London: Predator, 24, raped 12-year-old in toilets at King Cross | News UK | Metro News

This attack was thwarted because a woman was alerted to a male voice. Which obviously wouldn't have raised alarm in a mixed sex toilet:
Man who 'hid in toilet cubicle' found guilty of sex attack on woman in Connah's Quay pub - North Wales Live

Medical emergencies:
I suspect that people die in toilets more often than we see reported, because who wants that to be the thing everyone knows about their loved one? Fully enclosed toilets are much much riskier, especially if the door opens inwards because you can't see someone, you can't speak to them and see if they respond, and you can't get help to them.
Woman lay dead in Blackpool restaurant toilet for two days - BBC News

WhatAMessWales · 13/02/2025 13:01

Mylovelygreendress · 13/02/2025 10:08

My teenage granddaughter and her friends physically blocked the girls’ toilets in a Scottish Secondary School to stop a boy entering.
The head teacher said they needed to “ be kind” 😡

Was this a boy who'd been given permission by the school to use the girls' toilets @Mylovelygreendress ? 😡Well done your granddaughter and her friends. The school should be ashamed of themselves throwing all common sense and safeguarding out of the window like that. What happened? Did he continue to use the girls facilities? Is he in the changing rooms?

Mylovelygreendress · 13/02/2025 14:13

He was but the girls and parents kicked up a fuss and eventually it stopped . Strangely , more than a year on, he is a boy again !

WhatAMessWales · 14/02/2025 15:19

Good grief. @Mylovelygreendress Great to hear that the parents and girls spoke up. When something similar happened at my kids' school everyone was too frightened of being called transphobic. Lots of muttering but no actual objections.

I'm glad to hear this child has accepted that he is a boy, but the school should be ashamed of themselves. Doesn't this 'I'm a girl, so I need to go in girls spaces, oh no I'm not' lead them to doubt this approach at all?

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