NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #14

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks although once it was in to the second week it was looking like this would not happen. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

However, as a result of problems with the livestreaming, apparently, as a result of a very large number of observers, remote public access to the hearing was suspended on Tuesday 11 February. It was suggested that it might be reinstated at some point but don't count on it.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10
Thread 11: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272046-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-11
Thread 12: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272276-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-12
Thread 13: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272398-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-13

J Consider over lunch what left to be asked and best way to do so.

NC Just seen a dupe in my notes. Will revisit estimated time over lunch.

J We will break and return at 1.30.

Judge still complaining that Naomi is taking too long!! Direct the good doctor to answer questions properly then!

NC FC - sent to board for first time 11 June by Adam Watson? DU Presumably. Don't have control over AW's emails. J How long NC Getting on considerably faster than yesterday. Can't reach your target. Best estimate is 4 today. J Why. Long time. Given great deal of latitude.

DU Presumably. Don't have control over AW's emails. J How long

There he does again...control freak

Fuck that, they'd be far more compassion and understanding if he had autism.

Relevant section of Good Medical Practice (Code of Conduct for Doctors):

www.gmc-uk.org/professional-standards/the-professional-standards/good-medical-practice/domain-3-colleagues-culture-and-safety#keeping-patients-safe-7D0C1E66E9064011B3EFAB852B46BBD4

2nd half of this mornins TT Tweets

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1889630532213817370.html

Judge complaining he wants this over before 4pm, when NC suggests it will be.

He is SO rude. I'd be so embarrassed to speak like this in a professional setting

Lunchbreak now until 1.30

J Consider over lunch what left to be asked and best way to do so. NC Just seen a dupe in my notes. Will revisit estimated time over lunch. J We will break and return at 1.30.

One thing I'm picking up from this was the foolish stance NHS Fife took over DU's evidence (he took contemporaneous notes at time of observations) so his recollection was taken as more accurate & reliable because SP hadn't any notes to back her up & likely struggled to clearly recollect innocuous incidents. They never tested any of his claims & NC is doing the job now the NHS - an unbiased one trying to do a reasonable job investigating serious allegations- should have done in the 1st place.

Taking anything a bloke who lies to himself & expects everyone else around him to 'role play' their belief in his lie, as a reliable narrator is a fools errand.

I noticed that yesterday, but I'm not sure that the panel or NC are able to see.

Sets up the buffet for @ickky for a much needed lunch break

Not quite following this, is his claim of patient safety being compromised just based on him being asked to take obs?

Rubbish judge quite frankly.......

Judge seems to be getting annoyed at length of time but should he not be more in control of the courtroom? The delays are due to missing paperwork, constant interruptions and gaslighting answers by DU.

His non immediate reporting of that could be seen as negligent ( if it actually occured in the way he suggested it had)

Not rubbish. He's just not very impartial and not interested.

Me too.

Please don't accuse a witness of potentially accessing tribunal information.

Maybe he's already heard enough 😁

A lurker here, so grateful for the updates from the tribunal.

If the tribunal is adjourned for let's say a few months, would SP continue to be paid whilst on suspension? I presume so, but I don't know. Forgive my ignorance.

Because he's heard enough already to surmise Upton is an unreliable witness.

and realising he is in the middle of a shit-storm