NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #11

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks although at the start of the second week getting everything done in this time period was looking less certain. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10

NC - not enough for you that most of your collgs are polite or compliant or frightened to play along in that immmersirve role play

BU - again, there is no immmersive role play, don't expect collgs to be frightened. I ask for respect, expect us all to treat each other with respect and basic human decency.

Amazing

Emperor has no clothes - god I love NC.

NC: The danger that one voice telling the truth will break the spell (!!)

"Its not enough is it, for most of your colleagues to be Nice or polite or frightened enough to play along with that immersive role play"

"One voice telling the truth will break the spell ... you have to have complete control"

Everyone knows you're a man.

No: one voice telling the true will break the spell. It's like the emperors new clothes. You have to have complete control

NC is on fire.

Go for it NC!

Its looks like Dru & the Wall of Sad are all wearing matching wee badges today - wonder what they are?

very rapid eye blinking from DU.

Emperor has no clothes!!

Everybody knows.

How did she not treat him with respect? She was very respectful - she just said no.

Emporers new clothes, brilliant

Going back to earlier ;I’m summeriding

NC: talking about hypothetical bleeding female patient wanting to see a female doctor being seen in a private gyno room.

DU : we don’t have a gyno room so that wouldn’t happen. Followed by a whole bunch of waffle but admits that there is a room nominally for ENT examinations that is often used for gynological examinations.

So essentially there is a private room used for gyno examinations, but because it is officially called an ENT room it warrants a 5 minute distraction about the names of the different rooms in A&E.

It seems to me that DU is aware of language providing clear distinction when it serves his purposes.

This really ramps up at certain points.
Any body language experts here?

DrU- I'm not a man, the majority of my colleagues don't view me as a man, I think that's correct.

Is it still a break?

Breathy voice is back!

Depends: if Judge scribbles little emoji faces next to them...😫😜

This x 100

Have just informed my husband if he ever leaves me, I'm going to marry naomi cunningham.

This is epic

NC is going in much harder than I expected.