NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #11

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks although at the start of the second week getting everything done in this time period was looking less certain. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10

I didn't think I could expect to work with someone who spoke to me in that way!

(i.e. without the suitable deference, and validation as a TRUE AND VULNERABLE LADY)

I need a wee. Please call a break soon!

Transphobic hate????????

That’ll be “duper’s delight”. I think he may be a bit of a psychopath in all honesty. .

Locked for heckling?

What just happened?

There are a fair few unmuted people watching.

NC - You say in note - you went into bathroom, 'I take my stuff and take refuge in plasterroom, not giving her chance to say anything, got change in toilet will get stuff later'. You were sure she noticed?

[Noises off]
[judge leaves]

Bigoted outburst for wanting a single sex space away from a 6ft man.

what would happen if NC said this? Is it considered unprofessional

Women are not permitted to refuse consent.

Did all the observer mics get turned off then? Good job I was not yelling at the screen at that particular moment ..

as someone who is hearing impaired, I have captions via Chrome which isn't always accurate although it has said DU has just said "how I felt in the moment is Christ" - inaccurate, but also....accurate???

I'm really getting that vibe. No wonder Sandie didn't want to be alone with him in the changing room. I'd be feeling really vulnerable.

“Noises off” 🤣

Appeared to be a disturbance off camera as a number of the tribunal attendees looked over towards the door?

I've just double checked that I'm definitely muted. The Court does not need my sweary commentary

I’m sure a full range of emojis was employed in the ‘contemporaneous note' to convey the horror

I’ll catch up later as BP rising….
😡
Thanks all

BU - yes, when writing my notes, that's how I felt. Sure she'd noticed. That was my biggest fear. That's how I felt.

NC - we heard from her she's sure she didn't see you that day

BU - can't commment, I've not seen

NC - I've said

BU -wonderful. She didn't see me. That's fine.

NC - one of you ins't telling truth.

BU - no. Possible I saw her and she didn't see me. The fact she didn't see me I'm not arguing, my perception. was true at that time .... bla bla bla

"My perception is she must have seen me"

Very much giving me "my truth" vibes

Ah I'm not going to get any work done today.

Thanks for the updated threads!

DU is astoundingly arrogant. Jeez.

Can't watch to day I have work to do. But I think this is getting far more media coverage than they anticipated so that's good.

I notice it now says "conference locked" on the right hand side...

I keep doing that on a regular basis lol

Sociopath: will hurt you and feel pleasure doing it
Psychopath: will hurt you and feel absolutely nothing