NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #11

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks although at the start of the second week getting everything done in this time period was looking less certain. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10

Yes NC !!!

Yes... could be drawing them in to be too comfortable and trip themselves up.

Yeh I'm just on the thread now

It's distressing to hear him

I had a male ultrasound tech who without any prior warning said it would be best to do an internal ultrasound.

I said I'm not comfortable with that and I couldn't get the words out why because he was 6'+ and I am 4'11 and it absolutely terrified me.

I came out of there and my mum said why didn't you ask for a woman and I thought why should I have to ask for a woman? Why wasn't it offered as an alternative if the imaging was essential? Why was I put on the spot when I was already quite fearful about the possibility of finding out if I've got ovarian cancer? Thankfully I didn't.

I wish I had spoken up and this male ultrasound tech wasn't even cosplaying a woman, but how can medical professionals not see that their sex matters in these situations?

BU is blind to his own impact on others and like it was mentioned in the previous thread Sandie was probably the only one brave enough to speak out but it doesn't mean others were comfortable just because they didn't find their voice.

NC - do you agree when you analyse blood test, you can do siwthout knowing their religion

BU - yes

NC - and you can do without knowing what football tem they support

BU - yes, not relevant

NC - you can do without knowing thier GI

BU - no, not true

Pete is back!

Pete's back again

Pete the plumber is back in the room

Back to the hypothetical Pete...

I think it's been helpful for DU's evidence to run over 2 days. NC is doing better today now she has the measure of him.

Lolol

The extra breathiness he adds to the voice when he's saying things like "I care for people, that's my job" is genuinely nauseating. It makes my skin creep.

These necessary but time-wasting digressions into what words mean and getting a response that the witness is going to have different and possibly unstable definitions reminds me of Freeman on the Land court cases.

NC We know Pete is biologically male because I invented him!

DU already knows that some people see him as male..irrespective of what he believes.....and that includes SP.

Blood tests….
are they impacted by Religion? By football team? By gender identity?

I'm getting so uptight reading these reports of what's happening. The judge is not impartial, NC not allowed to proceed as she should be, DU twisting words even as he lies using them. It's a brilliant example of gaslighting and also coercive control in action. I have experienced both in my life on more than one occasion. The damage from the gaslighting and coercive control takes years for the impact to lessen, years of blaming oneself, years of feeling afraid, years of being triggered at the slightest thing.

Horrible to witness.

Sandie Peggie is such a brave woman for bringing this to court.

Theodore is in a corner on the gi point

NC - when I refer to sex, I'm talking about biological categories, about bodies, kind of bodies configured to produce large gametes or small, eggs or sperm

DU says he "doesn't agree"? Doesn't agree with what? That that is what she means? That these are biological definitions? That gametes exist?

Lol

Grrrr

Thought I'd try to quickly log in during my tea break, yesterday the phone in worked fine. Today it is saying "please enter the number you wish to connect to followed by the £ key."

But there is t a £ key on the phone 📞 key pad 🤷‍♀️

OG Pete

He's just apologised to Imaginary Pete for misgendering him.

It's like Dylan Mulvaney ( and I'm not even waching the live feed)

OMG