"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."

[crimplepop]

KJK going off on one again. Can you see it yet?

Yeah right, and the immigrants ate my dog.

First definition that comes up, from Merriam Webster:

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Apart possibly from "severe economic and social regimentation" that shoe fits.

I'm supposing it's to provoke discussion about the disturbing actions of a known figure in the feminist movement. (Even if she doesn't call herself a feminist.) Why don't you think these deserve any type of scrutiny? Is she immune to that here?

It's a feminist board. People start threads about the anti-feminist actions of others, or about things prominent people are saying about gender all the time.

I find it curious that threads about KJK invoke such a strong reaction. Especially when she's doing things like using her influence to shore up support for Trump, who is a huge misogynist, sex offender and proven criminal.

Trump is not good for women on any level. We should be discussing what support for him means on a feminist board I think. That's different from left v right. That's about what it says to be vocally supporting a sex offender.

Only to those who follow to the extent they do

It's interesting isn't it. Feels like a lot of people want the answer to be "Fascism died with Hitler".

No, not at all. It would just be a bit more stimulating if any of these threads provided anything new. She doesn’t provide a great deal of “fodder”. And provides the same “fodder” that people get huffy about and the threads are all the same.

“KJK is so horribly right wing and you all are too if you agree with her about the reality of sex!”

“No we are not.”

”Yes you are!”

Repeat ad nauseam, for 1000 posts, every month or so. It’s just all so trite.

Can’t anyone come up with a new angle on it at least, you make it interesting? Or is everyone lacking in imagination as well as being weak minded enough to get triggered by every right wing thing she tweets? Come on, show some creativity!

I'm surprised this is still filling people's minds

13th rule of misogyny: Angry women are crazy. Angry men have trouble expressing themselves.

No I think it’s probably the mythical international group of powerful lesbians 🙄

KJK really REALLY upsets the TRAs , doesn’t she ? Almost every week there’s another one of these threads trying to trash her and lecturing us GC peeps on why we can’t POSSIBLY agree with anything she says unless we agree with EVERYTHING she says.

KJK doesn't "fill my mind" or "live rent-free in my head" at all. She's just a fairly unintelligent but opinionated chancer who has latched onto the GC movement as a vehicle for self promotion, even if it means supporting a climate-denying misogynist fascist in his project to set human development back by several hundred years.

I have as much right to voice that opinion when the subject comes up, as those who think all those things are great have to voice theirs. Then I go and do something else.

I find it curious that threads about KJK invoke such a strong reaction.
LOL

If this poem is the only thing to come out of Let Women Speak then the 'chancer' has done some good in the world by giving Brandubh a platform.

I'm sure she's done some good in the world. But building movements to do good with reslience over time requires intelligence and discretion, not least about who and what you align them with.

You're helping her not hindering. By following and discussing

All these many posts and threads build her reach.

It's an interesting point. I think a lot of lefties - I count myself as one - have been horrified by how dissent has been closed down on the left. There has been a feeling that if you don't agree with everything 'progressive' then you are somehow making the left weak. It has been really interesting to find myself aligned with people I don't agree with on other issues. Riley Gaines is doing excellent work fighting men in women's sports - she is a massive Trump supporter. I'm not going to dismiss her point of view on sport because I don't agree with her politics.

I can't believe it's been forgotten here already, but there have been A LOT of threads going after other GC feminists for not supporting EVERYTHING KJK does. Lots of sneering about head girls, comments about how not agreeing with KJK makes you a Wokist, etc etc.

The "so what" is that a new tribalism emerged, where it was heterodox to disagree with (insert lefty/centerist here) but Woke to disagree with KJK.

If that lunacy has ended I'd be delighted, but I am a bit sceptical it's actually ended.

I'm not a fan of KJK. I'm grateful to her for starting the LWS events, but that's it. I don't agree with any of her views otherwise.

I just feel it's really interesting these people, who I feel are basically just transactivists or meninists trying to upset women and feminists, never, never talk about the problematic people on their side. Sarah Jane Baker, who at a rally of his own, encouraged people to "punch a terf" (or was it "knife a terf? Could have even been another person, they all have the same M.O and the same DNA at this point). And, a couple of women were indeed beaten up badly by transactivists that attended, after that.

We could go on about the violent men that are attracted to their movement - which, lets be honest here; is, after all, primarily a Mens Rights movement. Who bring baseball bats, even a bag of knives!, to their 'trans' rallies. Who said we should be skinned, burned alive, raped "till your (our) uterus bleeds" etc. The furries they are associated with. The drag queens who have been charged with child sexual assault. All the hateful dangerous and violent men their movement attracts, the paedophiles, the furries - one even complained about the crackdown on paedophiles (and I have the screenshot of this in a folder), saying that a crackdown on paedophiles will 'harm trans people and trans rights'. Ok, what does that even say? What are they saying about their movement right there? I'm not sure I even want to know.

Before they use KJK as some sort of gotcha that they need to start threads on her, as if she even represents us, maybe they should look at the absolute vile filth, and violent filth at that, that their movement is affiliated with. Because their 'oh but what about KJK' just reads to me as desperate and pathetic as Trump and his sides 'but her (HClinton's) emails...!'. The 'what about KJK' is beyond tedious and pathetic. She doesn't represent us. And most don't agree with her. So I'm stuffed if I know what 'point' they think they are making. Other than they don't understand us at all. Even remotely.

If all they have on us is KJK, we're doing pretty bloody good! And they're desperation is obvious.

I agree with what you say. But the USA is considered a flawed democracy in any case. It has gerrymandering via precinct boundaries, and a system of election that subverts the popular vote - inevitably, as it is set up as a republic rather than a democracy, which requires manipulation to get a result which balances different states' views. It also hasn't entered the 21st century with a viable voting and counting system. Trump had a point in 2020 when he said postal votes were being counted that arrived after the election and votes were being found that had been mislaid. The postal service does not seem to be secure, either. That smacks more of a developing world dictatorship-style 'democracy' than a developed country going to vote. The US is less than 300 years old, but the traditions it was built on are thousands of years old - yet the background knowledge of how a democracy works and how you count thousand-upon-thousands of votes does not seem to be noted. For example, India has voting population far higher than the US but has elections which are generally considered fair, and the counts are done expeditiously. The subcontinent also does not appear to rely on electronic voting which is easily open to fraud - but the US does. Why?

The Head Girls comments are in response to their Head Girlish behaviour. All their letter writing and finger wagging.

I think KJK just wanted another thread about her on here, I mean it's been a week without one.

Taking a look at the Trump/Harris situation though, Harris is going to destroy the USA [if you want what Canada currently is, vote Harris]. So technically, she is right. As what America does filters across the globe.

I'd vote for the person who is going to cut off less penises and breasts as well. No matter how much I despise the person doing it.

Either way, the USA is completely and utterly fucked right now.

The reason she provokes a reaction is because that's her schtick and always has been. Many of us thought it was an excellent political move when we felt we weren't being heard. I went to early gatherings, heck, I still have a totebag that I was given at one.

I used to be a regular here, and I dip in and out, and one thing I notice is the KJK threads are as incendiary as ever, but out in RL I found her tactics are very much the least persuasive. She grabs headlines. Then you have to have a conversation where you explain that you don't agree with her about taking away lesbian parental rights and protections, or her handwaving away the loss of reproductive freedom in the US, and on, and on...

I used to genuinely believe the broad church thing. But one of the reasons I walked away and ended up changing my mind on a huge amount of this issue was watching the GC movement use 'broad church' as a way to distance themselves from the authoritarian, blinkered excess of folk like KJK. I think that's why people, whom I know would self describe as on the left, post scornful, dismissive responses to anyone who raises the latest incidence of KJK being unabashedly right wing.

Frankly, the 'just because a nazi agrees the sky is blue...!' thing has become the laziest way to avoid the responsibility of countering these poisonous narratives which, whether you mean it or not, have gained traction. It's one thing to accept questionable bedfellows when you're very much on the backfoot and don't have access to the halls of power. It's quite another once your movement actually embeds into political party policy.

I understand the resistance to accept that KJK and a significant chunk of the GC movement is authoritarian right wing. I know some of you are still clinging to the idea that it's a strength. But her single issue obsession, and indeed the tactics she employs, are identical to the pro-lifers in the US. I've seen where that shit leads, and she's an interesting barometer, because for all the 'broadness' of your church, I've watched the whole thing slip further into sanitizing right wing authoritarianism.

And I know the responses to this will be further variants on 'she speaks for herself, not me!' And 'Oh, so you support child mutilation!' And 'Handmaiden!' Or someone will ask me what a woman is and possibly suggest I'm male. Because what I once thought was about the rights & protection of female people has devolved into knee jerk sloganeering and gender phrenology. And I'm just going to walk away because I've learned to say my piece, let those for whom it will make sense read it, and not get drawn into the same tired merry-go-round of talking points.

Essentially, supporting KJK even though you 'disagree' with her is a way you can pretend there is room for a plurality of views in your movement, or even that you could dissent. If you really think that's true, build a few genuine friendships with people who identify as non binary, or maybe Black trans masculine lesbian, or any other label that you think is ridiculous but is used by a person you would say was born female, find sone common ground, and see how quickly the broad church shows you the door.

Trump had a point in 2020 when he said postal votes were being counted that arrived after the election

In Australia I think we allow 10 days post election for all postal ballots to be returned.

We've never had any accusations of interference or cheating.

Then again, barring really close calls, where the election is so tight we need to rely on the trickle of ballots for 10 days and each day check the latest count (election is formally declared, I think 21 days after the election day when Writs are returned and the result in each individual seat is formally declared), usually we know who forms government on the night. It's never been a problem for us, it's worked well and never any suggestion of electoral disturbance or cheating. It can mean it's a nail-baiting wait in an extremely close contest in some individual seats, but, that's it, really.

Oh no, wrongthink!

Have a word with yourself OP.

That's a really interesting point. Would you just ignore Riley Gaines too? I'm just not sure that accepting the left's 'terms' of engagement (that we shouldn't listen to anyone right wing) strengthens the gender critical position.

there is a LOT of bad things to say about the Democratic Party - just like there is about the Republicans.

To make out that one side is BIG evil and the other smells of unicorns is insanity.

Democrats enshrined in law - gender identity

Republicans filled the Supreme Court with right wing judges

They're as bad as each other and don't pretend they're not.

I't like Brexit. there are plenty of very good reasons for leaving the EU, demonising people for having a different opinion just makes you look like a political officer in the USSR.

As Martina says it, it's about the balance. Not one issue alone. Womens rights to abortion, to not have our menstrual schedules checked or our medical records checked if a woman goes interstate for a few days if it's suspected she's going for an abortion, removal of no fault divorce, removing contraception - all things that Agenda 2025 wants to instigate. Trump is an evil and dangerous dictator, and Germany in the 1940s should still be in people's memories. But so many just cannot see it. That that's what he represents. If Trump gets in, there won't be any more elections for a long while, if ever. It's clear he intends to install a type of Military Junta dictatorship. To anyone paying any attention, this is clear. He is the single most dangerous man in the world since 1930s-1940s Germany. And people are not paying attention and just can't see it! Martina believes Harris doesn't understand the issue and can be brought around. But the loss of medicare, divorce rights (that would trap a woman in a relationship with her abuser), abortion rights, contraception rights, etc. On balance, it's a no-brainer. For women's sake, Harris must win. Or else all women, and girls, are stuffed if Trump gets in.