Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

This.

Go Keir, excellent speech and great to have a female chancellor and deputy.

And yet you can't all agree on the practicalities.of this. Are male cleaners? Male children? If so, to what age? I've seen you debate this over and over with no consensus.

Aside from the those posts that reference trauma - I DOUBT many people on this thread would publicly stand by their comments on here.

Also, my references have mostly been wiki, EU and scot legislation and parliament EU newsletter. Pretty credible to go by.

Are you gaslighting me...

We're not a hive mind, it's just my opinion.

Thanks.

Good luck convincing everyone to agree with you just because, well, you think they should agree with you!

Yes. There is absolutely no reason why men should be allowed into women’s facilities/ sports or anything else . How this has become something we have to argue about is entirely due to the men wanting to do so, and trying to divide and rule at the same time.

Do you know how drug testing is done in sport?

I don’t care about the sex of his chancellor and deputy. I care if they are any good.

Whats your views if a man has transitioned and has lived as a trans women for say - two years for arguments sake.

What a dishonest post.

Same genitals? Do you mean same sex?

Because 'genital' presentation alone does not 100% mean that all people in that sex have the same body variation. You seem to be using medically incorrect concepts to misrepresent other's points here.

And to portray women as being 'obsessed' with genitals because they are discussing the prioritisation of sex over gender when sex matters is just another emotionally manipulative tactic.

He is still a man!

And to portray women as being 'obsessed' with genitals because they are discussing the prioritisation of sex over gender when sex matters is just another emotionally manipulative tactic.

It sure is. Wasted on us, I'm afraid. Childish gotchas and debate tactics might wash on Twitter or Reddit or whatever but they don't here.

They are a male person who has a gender identity who has lived their life as a male person with a gender identity for two years.

A transwoman is not a woman. A male person cannot become a female person nor can they ever live as a female person. It is just not possible. They can only live their life in a way that they believe a female person lives, but that is only a concept that they have in their mind.

We've come full circle - apply this to the posts on health professionals.

I have literally never seen this. I'm not saying it doesn't ever happen - it's a big world with a lot of people in it and most things happen somewhere - but most women I know have no issue peeing or indeed changing with lesbian women so the idea that "dykes" are seen as a threat in the toilet is just - very unusual.

The idea that trans women's well publicised expectation to use fenale facilities is leading to more women being challenged is sadly more plausible to me (though again I've not seen it in person) but to reiterate my previous point, this is because the action and entitlement of trans women has broken the trust within theoretically fenale-only spaces. It's not an argument in favour of including male people as a matter of course, it's exactly the opposite - an argument for re-establishing the boundaries and trust we used to have.

And of course, the importance of the existence and legitimacy of the female sex as a social, legal and political group that excludes all male people regardless of their identity is far more than simplistic soundbites about toilets and genitals.

Trans people may exist, but so do female people and we have the right to our own name, our own spaces, our own history, our own experiences and our own voice separate to male people.

Identity in the psychological sense is not about traits or characteristics - but about the integrated centre that holds the personality together. Our identities are not fixed; they shift and evolve according to time, experience and circumstance.

A fixed identity is like a performance, when one becomes overly invested in a role or a particular version of the self. That is how I see trans identities. They have to be performed, and validated by others continually.

He is still a man.

We've come full circle - apply this to the posts on health professionals.

Rachel Reeves isn't going to give me a smear test, but if she did, I'd prefer that over Starmer doing it.

Have you not got the wit to understand how these two jobs are different and why sex may matter in one situation and not in the other? 🙄

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I don’t care about the sex of his chancellor and deputy. I care if they are any good.

We've come full circle - apply this to the posts on health professionals.

@Sloejelly that's false equivalence a chancellor is not going to be performing intimate examinations. Surly you get that?

I can’t remember the last time a chancellor touched me, examined me, required me to undress, asked me personal details.

However, I would not say any chancellor was a good chancellor if they did not understand the difference between sexes and the impact of this on people’s lives.

Yes but if you're agreeing it's a key political policy then you have to have an idea of a policy. What's yours?

No female people are being asked 'while they are dealing with their period or miscarriage'. Female people are being asked when they are in the public space.

Your posts are just using hyperbolic and emotive language now.

No one denies that female people in the past or now will be asked if they are in the correct toilet by other female people. The point is that they would be less likely to if other female people felt confident that no male people would be entering the space.

Many female people have reported to us that they have indeed been asked. I, personally, experienced it as a child. And many female people have also told the people asking that they are glad to be asked because it means that those people asking are trying to make the toilet's as safe as they can for other female people.

I agree with you on the female spaces stuff.

Im just adding that GNC women ARE hassled in female spaces, and were for a long time before trans women started wanting our spaces.

Homophobia is very real- for me it started at school when i wasn’t allowed to change in the same room as the other girls because they had complained to their parents who had kicked off with the school. My presence made them uncomfortable so I had to change separately. I have a friend that had the same at school.