Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

Oo it's so complicated.

Fiendishly, apparently

"What about male cleaners?!" 😂

Come on this is getting daft now.

@Whatever1964 male cleaners are already allowed to clean toilets. There is normally a sign. They are employed.

Pretty sure male identifying women aren't always welcome in the mens. They like their single sex spaces too you know.

A third space is what's required.

Sensitive,& accepting as I am & I believe everyone has rights as long as they're not harming others, this I cannot understand. I can't imagine a man or a woman 'identifying' as a woman wishing they had male genetalia 🤦‍♀️

You are just being silly of course male cleaners and children are allowed, male attendants always have a sign to state they are male and in the facilities. Children don't need explaining. Transmen are also female so no problem there. It doesn't need policing, it wasn't even an issue until a few years ago. Men just need to stay the fuck out and then there is no problem, but they have been emboldened by all this twaw bullshit!

The whataboutery is wild 😂

Except I haven't even made a comment about men identifying as women to enter women's spaces? I made a comment about how that's not happening as much as you claim it is
If it were then the whole trans issue would have been a bigger election issue for women and it's now proven that it wasn't. I made a comment that you are more likely to encounter a woman that you're falsely accusing of being a man. Something many of you denied ever happens and none of you want to address the consequences of. Just like no one wants to define these single sex space policy changes they want all the other women who aren't as clever as them to get on board with fighting for.

I'd certainly object to a male cleaner walking in to the room while I was having a PAP; but if he's cleaning the communal area of the toilet I'd assume he's been DBS checked. Because nuance.

Why are they allowed ? What stops a predator pretending to be a cleaner? What age are male children allowed in up to? If transmen are allowed why don't any of you assume a gender non conforming woman might be a transman and leave her alone? Why can't a non transman just claim to be a transman if you challenge him? Easier than pretending to be a woman.

If it were then the whole trans issue would have been a bigger election issue for women

Isn't that your point, that women don't care when males are in their spaces? Why would it be?

Maybe we should keep it simple like in the days of the Yorkshire Ripper?

Women in the area were put on curfew after 9.00.pm. Could only go out if accompanied.

The obvious solution would have been a curfew on men, seeing as they knew the perpetrator was male.
But oh no, keep the women in.

What "policy changes?" The only change in recent years has been the increasing dismantling of the single sex spaces and services that women have had in place for decades, without ANY consultation, by those who have unilaterally they should be "inclusive" to some men if the men concerned wear dresses or claim to have ladyfeels.

I ask again, do you understand the reasons why women historically had single sex spaces in certain circumstances and why they were fought for?

Stop being so dramatic. I never said anything about porn. I posted a Telegraph article link about the pshe curriculum. At the moment it depends on the school. Why are primary school children taught about masturbation and changing gender? Year 7s taught about anal and oral sex. It's just so unnecessary. What happened to being taught about consent and contraception?

Do you think it's ok for little girls to share changing rooms with men?

https://www.removepaywall.com/https:/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/09/ofsted-chiefs-warning-explicit-sex-education-lessons

https://www.removepaywall.com/https:/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/03/starmer-refuses-rewrite-equality-act-despite-trans-u-turn

I know they are. But people want the policy on these spaces to change so I'm asking what to.

My point is that the majority of women aren't actually finding swathes of men in our spaces in our real lives.

I'm just starting to read this thread so I haven't read it all yet.

Is this the type of thing you can set up a petition for so it's received as an item in the House of Commons?

I would happily write a letter. I hope someone further down thread has posted a template I am rubbish at this type of thing.

My point is that the majority of women aren't actually finding swathes of men in our spaces in our real lives.

But if they did, you'd understand why they don't want them there?

Quite the scaremongering on this thread. Either most women did not see the issue as a key one in the election or agreed with labour's approach. I

They set out there approach in their manifesto and now have a clear mandate to implement it...

By the way, figures for the reported impact of male people entering female sports:

https://www.shewon.org

of Medals* 1000

of Competitions 494

of Sports 35

This is just what the site administrators have reported and the true number is higher. Because this site has not captured all the cycling, snooker, darts results.

It certainly has not covered things like park run. I have recently read that one male in Australia holds more than 25 female park run records.

By the way .... I did not see any evidence that more than a cheek swab was needed from Whatever. For all their whataboutery, they could not support their claims or their concerns with evidence that was relevant or changed the need for female people to have confidence that their sports were protected from male people so that they would not have to question other female competitors.

The dinosaurs on this thread 🙄

Wes Streeting is health secretary and he certainly seems to have understood women's pov so I am not panicking.

Polls show that more women than not don't see these males as actually the same as female people @Walkden - they also don't support transitioning children, males in female sports categories or making it easier to get a GRC.

Are we "hoarding our rights" @HelloJillll

Most women in my experience don't understand the issues as they are not reported. Or they think trans women are genuinely real women. And trans men are men. Which is of course correct.

Can you tell us how many female people being harmed by the inclusion of male people in single sex spaces and in sports is acceptable to you?

1? 100? 1000?

Rules, guidance and laws need to be clarified to protect the needs of female people.

No male human in the history of the earth has changed sex. Female people have rights that protect their needs based on them having a body that is formed around the production of large gametes. Whether they produce those gametes or not.

No male human should be accessing the single sex spaces, sports or opportunities that form the rights of female people. And those female people include those female people with gender identities that are not 'woman / girl'.

Male people with their penis and testicles removed or one estrogen treatment become female in any way.

Male people are only ever 'identifying' as their personal concept of what they believe is a 'female'. They are not living life as a 'woman'. They are living their live as a male with their own perception of how a 'woman' lives. This is misogynistic at heart.