Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

Why are gender ideologists so obsessed with genitals? They keep bringing them into the conversations like this.

It's quite something, isn't it.

Well they are not me, I would never say that and have never actually seen anyone say that. 'GC' people are not a tiny, homogenous group of people, you realise?

And you didn't address my point. Because you can't.

Maybe it is important to remember which government brought in the GRA in 2004 and the EA2010. It was not a Tory government.

On that - for a thread that is about protecting women and safety I've been
1 - called a male
2- called chat gpt
3- instructed how I should communicate on here "don't state what you can't define" (even though said item is a concept....)

Efforts to persistently undermine and invalidate different views.

Forever championing trans policy and EDI representation as part of healthy progressive debate. It's not here though.

Because you're insisting on same-genital spaces and propose challenging people you suspect don't have those genitals even if that person isn't doing anything and you have a bad track record of getting it right. You don't like when people point out that you're obsessed with genitals, but you are.

I would never invade anyone's privacy to ask about genitals. Nor do I know anyone who would, where the fuck do you come up with this horseshit?

@Humtum I'm not entirely sure what your more waffly sentences mean, so I doubt there's much backfire effect going on in my poor, dear, befuddled brain.
I read the comic you linked to. It's very well presented, I like the fonts and some of the pictures are nice. Also the way it uses Facebook-style scrolling to progress the argument / narrative / comic, it's well done.
I get American greats muddled and can never distinguish in my head Washington from Franklin or Lincoln. If it's true about enslaved people's teeth being used to make enslavers' dentures that is horrific - it's getting in the vicinity of those Nazi paperweights and lamps that were made from parts of murdered Jewish people's bodies. My only recommendation would be to recentre the humanity of people who were enslaved (and also the barbarity of people who were actively enslaving others, not just passively benefiting) in your language i.e. "enslaved person" rather than "slave."

I'm a bit sceptical of fMRI stuff, there is an unfortunate tendency for researchers to find what they're looking for - lots of reproducibility crisis happening there. Also the cod evo-psych section, really cannot stand that stuff (the caveman bit - seriously?).

I'm also wary of those who have a need to deconstruct what I "cherish most deeply" (to quote the comic). It's all clever-clever ivory tower, heartlessness posing as social justice. All that is wrong with twenty-first century activism, in my opinion.
I wanted to respond with a comic strip that I love - a Leunig comic which begins with a person on their knees worshipping before a cardboard box. Then a group of people come along and say, "Why are you worshipping a BOX?! Can't you see it's just a BOX??" And they tear the box to pieces, to prove their point. The final image is of the person on their knees worshipping before a cardboard box that has been taped together from the discarded scraps. Honestly my typing all this out is such a shame compared to the beauty of the cartoon itself.
All of which is a long winded way of saying, are you sure that link was for me?

Exactly because friend of TRA Kristen Oswald also lost her seat

Because you're insisting on same-genital spaces

Er, no. We're insisting on female only spaces.

No but it was you up thread who was very insistent that this doesn't happen and wanted links to prove it?

Even if a transwoman has had "bottom surgery they are still male and I don't want them anywhere near my spaces, genitals don't matter, male is male whatever they have betweem their legs!

Which 'GC posters' do you refer to who are telling women that they would not get accosted if they dressed 'more like women' or 'wore some make up'? Are they on this thread? Please quote the posts saying this.

Or have you just built a straw man argument?

"same-genital spaces" 😂

Of all the ridiculous things I've read today this has to be near the top of the list!

There would be no need to question genitalia if men weren't invading women's spaces. HTH.

The multiple instances of this happening to butch women? The times when there have been threads on here cyber bullying biological women for their appearance before you find out she isn't trans? The posters on this thread proposing challenging people they suspect aren't female?

What you are saying in essence is that because it is in no way a barrier to you personally if the person in that space is a man, you do not see why any woman should feel differently to you.

Which suggests rather a lot of lack of life experience, awareness of other protected characteristics but TQ+, and a difficulty with putting yourself in the place of someone other than yourself or listening to their experiences.

Men just using women's spaces and women shutting up about it or excluding themselves quietly is not an inclusive or progressive option in any way.

I didn't vote Labour but I'm also not transphobic. It's one of the relatively few Labour policies I agree with.

In a couple of generations' time, people are going to be as horrified at the attitudes some people had to trans people as we are at the attitudes past generations had to gay people, and black people.

Unless you're in the medical field or a sex worker, being so obsessed with complete strangers' genitals is not normal or necessary.

And so biological women who are harassed in these spaces should just lump it?

I have never seen it happen. As I said, GC people are not a homogenous group.

You seem very caught up on this issue of women being mistakenly identified as men. Why is that? That's what you take from this debate? My 4 year old can tell who is a man and who is a woman - there is very rarely any doubt.

It would be a moot point if we didn't have the issue of men invading women's spaces - which is the actual issue.

Do those who don't see what the issue is really not understand why women had to have single sex spaces in certain circumstances and why they were fought for historically?

Was Elizabeth Fry wrong about prison reform, after which women's and men's prisons were separated? Was the Geneva Convention wrong that imprisoning male POWs with female is a violation of the women's human rights? When Unesco campaign for single sex toilet and washing facilities for women and girls in countries that don't have them as a women & girls' human rights issue, are they wrong? (Or is it just brown men in other countries who are deemed to be a problem?)

For women who say they "don't mind' having males in spaces where other women might be vulnerable etc, is it okay for them to consent to the removal of the right to boundaries on behalf of other women who have said they do very much mind? Are female rape survivors who do not want ANY males in their recovery groups bigoted for wanting this, for instance? Should they be "re-educated" to accept the males, putting their own trauma and need for recovery aside? And if an elderly or disabled woman wants female-only intimate care (not uncommon), is it okay to call that bigoted and override that wish?

Is it "wrong" and "bigoted" for women to say no to men? For instance, if you're a lesbian who doesn't mind heterosexual male trans women calling themselves "lesbians" on your dating apps, in groups etc, do you think other lesbians who do mind should be allowed their own groups, apps etc, or are you supportive of those who actively protest outside their meetings, shame them or threaten them? Is a lesbian wanting a woman-only space a bigot? Should she be compelled to "be open" to male people in her groups and dating apps, and should she be prevented from having women-only meetups at all?

I have never seen this happen! Where have you seen this?

But she was not Posie Parker!!

Read through the thread I linked and there's pages of examples for you there. I'm not going to screenshot all 10 pages for you.

RTFT instead of asking people to repost.

Actually there’s quite a few butch lesbians on tiktok that say they’ve never experienced homophobia, but do experience rampant transphobia because they’re using women’s facilities and others think they are mtf!