Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

That is a weird fantasy you have about strangers asking about your genitals.

I said asking what sex you are. That is - or used to be -- a 100% normal, everyday question. Sure, the knowledge of your own sex comes from your knowlege of your own body including its genitals, but that really wasn't at the top of anyone's mind until TRAs starting making a big deal about sex being this big secret no one should be talkng about or thinking about.

Personally I find the idea that people should use different toilets based on what type of personality you have far far weirder than basing it on body sex!

Ironically, I was a fairly androgenous kid and there were plenty of times I was called "son" or indeed asked if I was in the right toilets. I said "no I'm a girl" and that was it. No one was on high alert back then because when it comes to sex and gender the idea that it was ok to lie what you want had not been popularised by TRAs.

Such a shame TRAs have only started worrying about women being challenged now, when they can leverage it for their own agenda, rather than worrying about this happening before they started pushing men into women's spaces when they would have been in a position to ralise that maybe they should just not start doing that in the first place.

It's a very teenage male obsession / fantasy isn't it? Genital checks / genital spaces.
Never mentioned by women anywhere in the world until a certain type of man started demanding to access women undressing / otherwise vulnerable.

When I was a child, I was constantly asked if I was in the wrong toilets because I looked like a boy. Women and girls have always asked these questions because it is integral to our needs. In toilets, it is important for safety and privacy and dignity. In sports, it is vital for fair competition and safety.

Are you honestly trying to say that women and girls were never asked these questions before male access to single sex spaces and sports became an issue?

Unless you're in the medical field or a sex worker, being so obsessed with complete strangers' genitals is not normal or necessary.

The only people with a genital obsession on this thread are the people banging on about how women shouldn't want single sex spaces.

If they are being mistaken for men who identify as women then that is not transphobia. That is being mistaken for men. Transphobia would be if they were mistaken for transmen and asked to leave.

Absolutely my thinking too..

I have read the full thread, sorry I missed your link!

it does happen regularly to gender non conforming women.

I’ve known butch friends harassed, threatened and security called because they don’t ‘look like women’ in female toilets.

There was also the lovely day a friend stripped down to her tank top to prove she was a woman with her own belongings and not in fact a man who had stolen a women’s debit card and driving licence ( the shop workers were threatening to call the police).

She had committed the offence of having a shaved head and a baggy jumper- they were very surprised to discover her DD bust 🤦‍♀️.

That’s not to mention the looks and mutters we put up with regularly in changing rooms or bathrooms.

Again you're just ignoring the invasion of privacy and upset of walking up to a stranger trying to take a piss or deal with their period or a miscarriage or all the other things you point out women deal with in toilets and being asked what sex they are! When they aren't bothering you in any way and no doubt you're asking someone you don't believe looks feminine enough.

It's a very teenage male obsession / fantasy isn't it? Genital checks / genital spaces.
Never mentioned by women anywhere in the world until a certain type of man started demanding to access women undressing / otherwise vulnerable.

YY. And people are free to draw whatever conclusions about the people using this rhetoric that they think are appropriate.

This!

If they are being mistaken for men who identify as women then that is not transphobia. That is being mistaken for men. Transphobia would be if they were mistaken for transmen and asked to leave.

Quite.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be there I'm asking you on a practical level how you enforce them.
I'm sure there's more instances of biological women being challenged as being men than actual male cleaners being challenged to prove they actually work there

Incorrect.

I have no interest in enforcing them. I want the social contract to be that people don't encourage men to use our spaces.

That is my very point- outside of this board, it is an issue that has no traction with most people - certainly not enough to sway their votes.

I haven't seen you do much more than post weak evidence and tell people they are being 'unkind'. You personally have also attempted to undermine and invalidate other's views.

Most people on this board would support healthy debate. It can be argued that you have not engaged in this way on this thread. Obviously, you think you have.

I don't use tiktok so I would never get to see this, I was often mistaken for a boy when I was young, but back then it wasn't transphobic it was just a mistake, yes sure it offeneded me sometimes, but I didn't really care and I still don't. If men weren't in womens spaces now, it wouldn't be an issue, it would simply be a mistake, a mistake that plenty of women have experienced.

Certainly is, also very telling that the "genital checks" people don't consider the option of male individuals choosing (or being incentivised) to do the right thing and refrain from accessing female spaces.

This is not true. Any time I have tried to engage I get accused of being a man or a TRA. I am neither.

Ironically, I was a fairly androgenous kid and there were plenty of times I was called "son" or indeed asked if I was in the right toilets. I said "no I'm a girl" and that was it. No one was on high alert back then because when it comes to sex and gender the idea that it was ok to lie what you want had not been popularised by TRAs.

GNC women have been being hassled and threatened in female spaces for decades because of homophobia.

The thinking goes

‘manly women=dyke=pervert=looking at me=a threat to me’

It's hilarious/tragic isn't it.

It's like saying the biggest crime in a mugging is committed not by the mugger mugging the victim, but by the victim treating strangers warily as a result.

Interested to know about the challenges to activism (one for another day) thanks for your mention of the comic strip - shall have a google!

Considering there are posters like @Helleofabore endorsing the idea of sex verification in sports (which involved examinations hence me asking if she actually had read up on the process) that's why I'm asking how you want people to prove their sex

I want all policies to state that women's spaces are for women, not men, regardless of identity. Woman - an adult female human being.