Farage says Andrew Tate is an important voice for men

[jomartin281271]

How can so many people still be in the thrall of Farage and Reform UK when harldy a day goes by without another horrifying story about Farage emerges. Now he's telling us that Andrew Tate is an important voice for men. Tate is a vile representation of the human race. who glorifies hitting and choking women. Why would any woman vote for Reform UK?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/20/nigel-farage-andrew-tate-important-voice-men-podcast-interview

FagButt Farage and Tiny Tinkle Tate? No surprise there 🤣

My kids don’t know who he is either
we are giving him a platform right now
just ignore him

He's been accused by various Jewish groups of antisemitic conspiracy theories eg Soros.

Ugh Farage. He's such an odious man.

The general rage perpetuated by the media is nothing short of ridiculous

Evidence and facts please. This is opinion

i Read that the Jewish community weren’t best pleased about Farage interviewing an antisemitic group. It doesn’t mean he aligned with them
Also not liking a group of global investment bankers is t antisemitic either

if the Jews don’t like him then that’s their opinion
right now Nigel is not their real enemy is he?
he is not attacking them on the streets

What makes you think that the rage is perpetuated by the media and not by Farage's own racism and misogyny?

Do you consider it impossible that people might object to racism and misogyny without being told by the media that they should be angry?

Great post

they are bewildered as to why their sons love him when they told their sons that he was evil and a misogynist and that their sons should never watch him

But Farage isn’t bewildered. That’s what he’s saying in the podcast the news article is reporting on. He understands why boys and young men gravitate to Tate. Maybe if “leftie progressive families” listened to people outside their own lefty progressive bubble they might not be so bewildered.

If he was attacking people in the street, he'd be less of a danger. He's using dog whistle politics to stir up hate. He doesn't have to get his hands dirty to have a negative impact.

It's the language he's using alongside the conspiracy theories, that are the problem, such as 'new world order' and other tropes associated with the far right. He should be more mindful of his language.

Yes, of course you're right that he understands why certain people gravitate towards the likes of Tate, because they gravitate towards Farage, Trump and Reform etc for very similar reasons. Tate, like Farage and Trump, knows exactly how to exploit those individuals for his own gain without actually giving a shit about what actually happens to them.

I don't agree that listening to master manipulators like Farage is the answer though. We already know why disaffected people are sucked in by his rhetoric. What we really need to do is address the underlying issues that make certain cohorts vulnerable to exploitation by the likes of these odious characters.

I think he is very intentional with his language. He knows exactly what he is saying and what impact it will have.

I meant in the sense the context of the post. If he's not trying to stir up antisemitism, he should be more mindful of his language.

I agree he knows exactly what he's saying.

But those that he's trying to attract are 'white van man' and their gangsters molls- a great many will agree with what Andrew Tate says- you only have to see some of the posts on here about awful sexist racist shithead partners to know some women go for that type- especially if trained up, tanned, earning decent money- and then wonder why they continue to be a shithead with them. He's playing to his market sadly and there are lots of them of all ages, from the young gym trained thickos to those colonial types just like Nigel.

Yes, this exactly.

It really is irrelevant if people think he's a wanker, clearly he has resonated with some. That's just a fact.

There's usually something behind situations like this, whether we are talking online wankers, or even terrorist organizations. They are filling a hole. What's missing then, becomes the question.

Guys like NF are all about seeing those holes, when publications like the GUardian claim they don't exists and anyone who says they do must be a baddie.

@NotBadConsidering o think using the term 'lefty progressive' isn't that helpful- I'm not that lefty or that woke- I'm very much in the centre- find bits I like in most party's policy's- but Farage is a menace- he is basically National front- an old school conman convincing the disillusioned he is the answer- I'm all for helping ordinary people and their concerns- I'm not all for giving a voice to NF types , builders happy to fleece anyone and pensioners constantly on a cruise - and yes he attracts a lot of thatdubious spiv Del boy type

I agree that we need to answer that question about "what's missing". I don't think that we should allow Farage to define any of the answers though.

It's interesting to me that Farage appeals most to those from the most deprived communities, and yet his proposed policies are amongst the most regressive and would benefit the richest.

Farage has nothing to offer these disaffected people, and yet somehow he dupes them into thinking that he's on their side.

I don't think anybody can understand when they have the kind of attitude that simply assumes that anyone who does resonate with his message must just be a misogynist.

Because they really don't think there is anything "their side" is missing and doing wrong. They think the people who listen to him haven't conquered the evil inside themselves. All those boys haven't accepted their patriarchal privilege and rolled over - look at the post upthread that made fun of the idea that men and boys might feel unheard or like they need a voice.

My sister is a teacher. She says a lot of modern rhetoric is on 'toxic masculinity'. And she can understand why young boys are attracted to someone like Tate. Especially the least privileged.

@jomartin281271 , There certainly is a massive campaign to shut down Mr Farage. I’ve only recently heard of this Tate person and I hadn’t realised how he became well known. I do agree with what Mr Farage says in that men have been emasculated and I support this being talked about because it has important implications for society.
I think we all ought to be much more cautious by how influenced we are by the media which always has an agenda, I like to try and fact check. So for anyone who has less than 5 minutes and cares about the truth this is what Mr Farage said about Tate. For the record Mr Farage has been misquoted on quite a bit recently

Especially the least privileged.

The irony around here is that it's also the most privileged who appear to be devout followers too

I think you need to be really careful with the assumption that he isn't offering something.

This idea comes up again and again, for example with Trump - that the stupid "plebs" don't really see what's good for them.

It might be good to consider that maybe middle class people, or guardian readers! who tend to be extremely socially and financially comfortable by comparison, don't really have a great understanding of what kinds of policy are good for wc communities, and what the problems they face really are.

It's very typical that the plebs don't really care that Farage, or Trump, is very wealthy, or was born with a lot of advantages. They don't care. They care that they seem to recognize the problems they are having, rather than sneering at them.

Can you explain/give examples of how the woke agenda has told men they can't be male please, genuinely curious as to what I've missed.

This is a really good point, Foxblue.
It's daft to blame the popularity of toxic stereotypes of masculinity on criticism of toxic stereotypes of masculinity. I keep hearing 'toxic masculinity' being presented as a woke attack on men. It's as if some people think that men can't be anything but toxic.

Criticising 'toxic masculinity' i.e. the worse possible stereotypes connected with being male, is actually a defence of males, not an attack on them.
It's making sure that little boys have a wider idea of what being a man is, than the stereotypes of angry, violent, misogynistic men, glorified by the likes of Tate.

What's 'woke' about teaching boys that violence and hatred is wrong, and that there are other ways to be male, like for instance just being a decent caring human being?
Excusing, or worse still glorifying toxic masculinity cheats little boys out of a whole range of different ways of being male.

Well Farage said:

… The white male – you lot – are going to feel the world’s against you. Andrew Tate tapped into that. You’re going to feel the world’s against you, you’re going to feel resentful and angry … These are massive cultural battles.

Notice the dog whistle to white males. Tate is admired in many cultures. Misogyny has no borders.