Farage says Andrew Tate is an important voice for men

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How can so many people still be in the thrall of Farage and Reform UK when harldy a day goes by without another horrifying story about Farage emerges. Now he's telling us that Andrew Tate is an important voice for men. Tate is a vile representation of the human race. who glorifies hitting and choking women. Why would any woman vote for Reform UK?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/20/nigel-farage-andrew-tate-important-voice-men-podcast-interview

@TempestTost I do get what you are getting at - but I know a few Farage (and Trump supporters in US) and none of them are in the deprived fiscally category- whilst I appreciate there will be 'some' - the ones I know are mainly living in very white areas, own their houses , often outright, and have lots of holidays. All this bunch are interested in is paying as little tax as possible, hating on foreigners ( who they actually rarely see apart from on TV) and classifying anyone who doesn't think like them as 'lefty' or 'woke' . They then moan about quality of services but want to pay bugger all towards them- look at someone like John Redwood (although he is Tory ) as an example- goes on and on on x about reducing tax but then also bangs on about poor services- well who has been in charge matey!

I could kind of understand all these views (even if I don't agree) if the people saying them lived in Bradford/Oldham/Leicester etc - which even to me seem to resemble Mumbai in most bits and yes do have a certain feel that won't be for everyone - but they rarely are- they usually are from deepest Suffolk or Devon or very white bits of Nottinghamshire etc

They aren't all working class either- lots of toffs think like this- we have them on Mumsnet- the pony's in Hampshire set

Couldn't agree more - beautifully put.

Totally agree@MarieDeGournay - otherwise by not criticising and accepting Andrew Tate is the norm we end up with a ton of shitheads treating women like a bunch of 'bits' - and only there for housework and child rearing - we read about them on mumsnet

I remember when we lived in Copenhagen my friend who came out and was single was gobsmacked at the number of great looking, well groomed tattooed gentle giants out with their kids, shopping with their wives, doing work in the garden etc- all of who looked extremely masculine. ( and fanciable) It's usually a load of inadequate loser blokes who aren't attractive to women and not that bright in many cases who look up to Andrew Tate.

Anyone who cares about women’s rights should never vote for Farage. He’s already come out saying (white) British women should have more children (and yet the country’s full). His Trump cronies will be pushing for an anti-abortion agenda in the UK, which Farage will undoubtedly roll out once he’s embolden by more support.

“Lefty progressive” was from the post I quoted. Having said that, those who might consider them on the left and progressive are some of the most closed minded people going.

It’s irrelevant whether people like Farage are “given” a voice. They have one and they need paying attention to, because when they speak some people listen and take it on board.

It’s how Trump got elected in 2016. Everyone on the Left assumed that everyone else was hearing what they were hearing - incoherent nonsense - and didn’t entertain the possibility that many heard it as presidential material. It’s condescending: “you can’t possibly be considering voting for Trump/Johnson/ Brexit/ listening to Tate, are you?” with a sneer. So much time and effort spend into pouring scorn on those who do rather than understand why they do.

@NotBadConsidering I actually think the only way for people to totally understand is sadly if he was in power- I suspect he would be very very unpopular with those voting for him very quickly because I think they are hanging onto the bits they like the sound of 'immigration' etc , high personal allowances - and not listening to the economics involved with a very large black hole and further big cuts in services. Yes people should have choice and they do- if they are happy to vote then fine- thing is though he's not going to have to follow through and can clearly say any old populist shizzle - all of which undermines the other party's and makes them look somewhat unexciting policy wise as Labour in particular have seen the books-

It's like Brexit- the sunny uplands promised, all that cheap stuff and massive inward investment were easy to promise- but the reality when they actually won is very very different. There are no easy and cheap solutions in a changing world , but it does mean some people are susceptible to being offered them

Oh, immigration! What a mess people make of this issue. So many liars who know quite well that we need immigrants for certain things, but pretend that the small percentage of them who arrive in boats is the whole cause of the damaged economy They dont even believe it-they're just saying what they think will gain them votes.

Also, I see Tommy Robinson -one of the biggest offenders-has himself just been arrested in Canada for immigration offences 🤣🤣🤣.

Yep.

And saying we should think about/listen to/consider why Andrew Tate is popular is very much not 'supporting' him.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/crime/tommy-robinson-canada-arrest-calgary-b2568378.html

Do you actually know anything about him? About his past? His university days?

I do a lot of work with these communities so I'm certainly not stuck in any middle class bubble and I have a pretty good idea of what kind of problems many people face. I see absolutely nothing in what Farage is offering those communities that will help to address those issues.

The kind of argument set out above was exactly the kind of argument that was used to explain why people from disadvantaged communities should vote for Brexit, and it was frequently said that the middle class guardian readers simply had no idea and didn't know what those communities needed.

From the work that I do, I certainly haven't seen the promised benefits of Brexit materialising for these communities or any of them feeling that life has got better. How do you think it's working out for them?

Snce you're apparently so much better informed about what working class communities want and need, please tell us about the specific policies that you think will benefit those communities, and how you think they should be paid for. Also, while you're at it, could you please outline how Reform's incredibly regressive policies on tax will benefit people on the lowest incomes? I'm willing to be educated if you can provide the evidence to back it up.

I don't think I am the one who needs educating

Havent watched the full video of what he said yet but its probably taken out of context just like the russian thing.
"He's an important voice for men" doesn't mean anything about the person saying it clearly it is an important voice for some men just like Hitler was an important voice for Germans and stalin an important voice for russian etc .
Being an important voice doesn't mean you are right it just means some people listen and take you seriously, Tate is an ass but if he wasn't an important voice he wouldn't have the social media following that he has

Ouch. All that reaching must be painful. Would you like some ibuprofen?

The reaching comes from the average Mumsnet user who thinks someone saying they don't like Putin as a person means they do like Putin as a person

He's frequently said that he admires Putin as a world leader and admires the way he operates and has taken control of Russia. We all know that the way Putin operates is pretty deplorable. Farage has never said that he likes Putin as a person.

Is this the same Nigel Farage who was previously paid to appear on Russian state media?

The problem is the main stream media always take snippets they can vilify him with . Take his whole conversation in context and it makes more sense , but hey let's not let hysteria get in the way . Worried about his increasing popularity I guess .

Who Farage? What did he mean then?

Lol. Give us the whole quote then, so that we can judge for ourselves.

In a lot of these cases I think people are organizing themselves around what they don't want, more than what they do.

What they don't want, typically, is a government that is heavily invested in economic globalism.

And more importantly, one made up of people who openly despise them.

With Brexit, I don't think it was ever mainly about short term economic advantage, it was about the ability to make decisions in the best interest of the nation. Ideas like, you have a right to live and work in Europe were never that compelling for w/c people in the UK. I don't think it's at all clear that it's going to be a failure, I don't think we'll really know until 20 or 25 years down the line.

I don't know that any of NFs policies would be that successful in the end, and I don't care that much because I'd never vote for him, but he's sure better at relating to the interests of regular people than Labour candidates are.

Notice the dog whistle to white males
Yes, this is the kind of stuff that makes me think he's dangerous and would never vote for him.
I don't care if people think I'm being hyperbolic either.
He's whipping up hate and anger.

I once had a look at Tate's twitter posts. tbh he comes across as a big troll, as if he posts inflammatory stuff intentionally knowing it will annoy a lot of people.

@TempestTost but I disagree- the only thing I can see that would appeal to w/c communities is the 'immigration angle' - and on that I think he is all hot air- however that I think is the main factor with many in poorer areas - he's pushed it so much that they think he's the saviour of it - he isn't - it's complicated- to be frank being in the EU again would solve that aspect to some extent- it wasn't an issue to this degree before- they were stopped in France,

I can't see remotely how they think paying for healthcare is going to benefit most w/c people - unless we are talking about those on benefits who might 'presume' they will get it covered off- it's a big presumption. Bigger personal allowances (uncosted)- then pointless if paying for healthcare and unless he has a certain level of immigration will struggle to have enough staffing - and I would want way better care if you have to pay insurance as well as NIC as will most people-.

I've got a fair few friends who I would say would call themselves working class-as I said before though they aren't that hard up and Farage doesn't resonate with them one bit- they think he's a total knobhead -

It's not so much poor working class people I think supporting him and I think it's disingenuous to think it is or that's the main community he resonates with- my own opinion and reading all the posts on X is it's a lot of self employed tradesmen who have been making hay out of fleecing people post Brexit due to less competition-and don't worry about tearing up employment regs, it's a certain kind of rose tinted glasses pensioner , it's well off types who bet on crashing the pound and hate any foreigners - it's people who are obsessed with low tax (ironically though they seem disinterested in services) exactly the same as it was with Brexit- although less of them