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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Farage says Andrew Tate is an important voice for men

203 replies

jomartin281271 · 25/06/2024 00:19

How can so many people still be in the thrall of Farage and Reform UK when harldy a day goes by without another horrifying story about Farage emerges. Now he's telling us that Andrew Tate is an important voice for men. Tate is a vile representation of the human race. who glorifies hitting and choking women. Why would any woman vote for Reform UK?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/20/nigel-farage-andrew-tate-important-voice-men-podcast-interview

Farage said Andrew Tate was ‘important voice’ for men in podcast interview

Reform UK leader has also argued against diversity quotas and said people on benefits were ‘too stupid’ to work in appearances over past year

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/20/nigel-farage-andrew-tate-important-voice-men-podcast-interview

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IncompleteSenten · 25/06/2024 08:32

Creamcakes99 · 25/06/2024 08:25

Brain power sponsored by The Guardian
jeez

Oh behave yourself.

Can't argue with the actual point so make what you wrongly think is a clever jab.

The guardian is the last place you'd go to understand the reality of what goes on in men's minds.

We are surrounded by the evidence and if you can't see it I can only assume it's because it serves you better to refuse to see it.

Creamcakes99 · 25/06/2024 08:35

WarriorN · 25/06/2024 08:26

Brain power sponsored by The Guardian
jeez

Cos Tate is the messiah obvs

I haven't said that
im just not going to let a person I’ve never met or who has very little bearing on my life turn me into a raging unhinged human

Creamcakes99 · 25/06/2024 08:37

IncompleteSenten · 25/06/2024 08:32

Oh behave yourself.

Can't argue with the actual point so make what you wrongly think is a clever jab.

The guardian is the last place you'd go to understand the reality of what goes on in men's minds.

We are surrounded by the evidence and if you can't see it I can only assume it's because it serves you better to refuse to see it.

We are not allowed to know who is accusing Tate and this situation has been going on for so long, why are there no convictions?
years and years

WarriorN · 25/06/2024 08:39

im just not going to let a person I’ve never met or who has very little bearing on my life turn me into a raging unhinged human

👀

cupcaske123 · 25/06/2024 08:43

Creamcakes99 · 25/06/2024 08:23

Nooooo
where has Nige said he hates women ?

Farage has been disparaging towards women. For example he said that breastfeeding women should sit in a corner. He also said that working mothers are worth less to employers.

He supports two well known woman haters, Trump and Tate. Both of which have been accused of rape. He believes a woman hater is an important voice for boys.

Creamcakes99 · 25/06/2024 08:44

WarriorN · 25/06/2024 08:39

im just not going to let a person I’ve never met or who has very little bearing on my life turn me into a raging unhinged human

👀

I have a relative that is so enraged by the mere mention of his name she has her 10 year old child wishing death upon Tate

if I ever get so infuriated about an individual then my time is done on earth

Mumof2girls2121 · 25/06/2024 09:00

Why do people who dislike Nigel Farage have so much hate in them.
many things I read from people who think Nigel is terrible are writing such hateful, vile things thinking they are superior to others! It’s so odd

NotBadConsidering · 25/06/2024 09:04

The issue is not about whether Tate is a good or bad person. It’s also not about whether Farage is a good or bad person, or whether he thinks Tate is a good or bad person (and whether that makes him a good or bad person or not.)

The issue is that Farage is very successful and has a much more astute understanding of what makes people like Trump and Tate so appealing to their respective fan bases. He may or may not agree with Tate - and there have been 5 pages of debate already on that - but he understands why Tate appeals to young men, regardless. This is what makes politicians successful, and political campaigns successful: understanding your electorate. All of them, not just the ones who think like you do or vote for you already.

The problem is none of the “good” people bother to think outside their cosy boxes to consider how people they consider unsavoury might think or react to certain policies or ideas. Then they seem shocked and surprised when they aren’t successful.

Anyone with any sense would listen to Farage; not to agree with him, or condone him but to get his insights into certain factions. To instantly dismiss him is folly in my opinion.

PurplePim · 25/06/2024 09:07

I'm getting a strong whiff of unwashed male who's wandered over to Mumsnet for a bit of trolling after an all night gaming session with a side of time in the murky manosphere. There's also a stinky sock-puppet smell due to all the name changes trying to back themselves up to make it look like their arguments are popular and reasonable.

As ever the educated women on the feminists boards have revealed the many holes in this fetid fumbler's (boring and predictable) arguments.

SinnerBoy · 25/06/2024 09:09

^We are not allowed to know who is accusing Tate and this situation has been going on for so long, why are there no convictions?
years and years^

How terrible! A number of women, who have almost certainly been held against their wills, gang raped on camera for Tate to monetise have anonymity. Just as is the case in most countries.

Far better to splash their names and faces in the press, so that we can discover one got caught with a joint and another was done for shoplifting at 15, to prove that they're all lying "slags" out to get poor Andrew, eh?

Realduchymarmalade · 25/06/2024 09:10

Surprised the dislike for Jordan Peterson on here. What have I missed? Everything I’ve come across from him, admittedly limited to borrowing his books from the library and stumbling across the odd Internet article/video, made me feel he talks good sense.

Shortfatsuit · 25/06/2024 09:11

Mumof2girls2121 · 25/06/2024 09:00

Why do people who dislike Nigel Farage have so much hate in them.
many things I read from people who think Nigel is terrible are writing such hateful, vile things thinking they are superior to others! It’s so odd

I hate racism and misogyny. Farage is a racist and misogynist, so I hate everything he stands for.

I do understand that some people think we should be more tolerant of racism and misogyny, but personally I disagree. I don't want to live in a society where racism and misogyny are tolerated.

I accept that racists and misogynists will feel differently.

cupcaske123 · 25/06/2024 09:12

Mumof2girls2121 · 25/06/2024 09:00

Why do people who dislike Nigel Farage have so much hate in them.
many things I read from people who think Nigel is terrible are writing such hateful, vile things thinking they are superior to others! It’s so odd

He's part of the elite, has a Couts account yet speaks for the 'common person'. He was a major part of Brexit. Dog whistle politics. Blatant lies. He's lazy, he rarely turned up for his job as an MEP and had to pay back thousands in mismanaged funds. He supports people like Putin, Trump, Tate, Moseley and Enoch Powell. And on it goes.

Realduchymarmalade · 25/06/2024 09:12

Creamcakes99 · 25/06/2024 08:44

I have a relative that is so enraged by the mere mention of his name she has her 10 year old child wishing death upon Tate

if I ever get so infuriated about an individual then my time is done on earth

That is so disturbing. My boys are eleven and ten and have no idea who he is.

Staringatthewalljustmeagain · 25/06/2024 09:12

Creamcakes99 · 25/06/2024 08:37

We are not allowed to know who is accusing Tate and this situation has been going on for so long, why are there no convictions?
years and years

Wow. You’re actually defending him now. Yikes…

LargeSquareRock · 25/06/2024 09:14

Can I suggest that any mum of pre-teen or teen boys watch a few Andrew Tate videos. It is impossible to defeat what you don’t fully understand. Andrew Tate is very insidious in what he does and knowledge is power.

Your 12 year old son isn’t going to be reading news stories on Andrew Tate and his misogyny, mistreatment of women and his utter contempt for men who don’t fit his narrow view of what masculinity is. He’s not going to read about Andrew Tate’s money making scams and how he sucks money from vulnerable young men and teen boys.

He’s going to be seeing videos and sound bites that resonate with him. That seem reasonable. That seem ok. He's going to be told that society views men and boys as a problem. He’s going to be told that there’s nothing wrong with being a man and that masculinity is a great good in the world. He’s going to be told to respect himself and his body. Be healthy. Don’t use drugs. Be strong. Be a leader. Work hard. He’s going to remember all the “unfair” times at school when in his mind girls got away with stuff that the boys didn’t. He’s going to remember being told off for boisterous play and exuberance. He’s going to remember that the books he wanted to read, about explorers and adventurers were never in the library and if they were, how the librarian sneered at his interest. Your son will see Andrew Tate videos and telling your son to not watch them and that Andrew Tate is a nasty misogynistic arsehole won’t cut it. Andrew Tate is a nasty misogynistic arsehole, albeit a very fascinating one. Because that is not who your son will see at first. And before you know it, it will be too late.

Parents need to understand Andrew Tate. Talk to your sons about him. Talk about videos you have watched. I talk to my son about him all the time. I tell my son that he will see videos and they will seem fine and positive and inspiring. I tell my son that he is smart and he must use his critical thinking skills. I tell my son that there will come a point where something doesn’t sit right and that’s the time to think about what Andrew Tate’s endgame is and to talk to me about it. I won’t be angry. I won’t be disgusted. I won’t screech and wail about “the patriarchy”. But I will help guide him through without judgement.

Just for the record, the four families I know with sons stuck down the Andrew Tate rabbit hole all are leftie progressive families with strong independent mums. None of these mums and dads would have dreamt of trying to understand Andrew Tate and they are bewildered as to why their sons love him when they told their sons that he was evil and a misogynist and that their sons should never watch him. That way doesn't work.

Staringatthewalljustmeagain · 25/06/2024 09:14

Mumof2girls2121 · 25/06/2024 09:00

Why do people who dislike Nigel Farage have so much hate in them.
many things I read from people who think Nigel is terrible are writing such hateful, vile things thinking they are superior to others! It’s so odd

Well, I mean he’s a known anti-Semite for one…?

WarriorN · 25/06/2024 09:23

Your son will see Andrew Tate videos and telling your son to not watch them and that Andrew Tate is a nasty misogynistic arsehole won’t cut it.

Agree with this.

I disagree with making misogyny a hate crime for similar reasons. It's pretty icing and not radical enough to tackle what's going on a grass roots levels.

Also hoping regulate access to internet for as long as possible too, phones and computers. Nokia brick at the moment aged nearly 12. I appreciate peers may not have this though

Perfectly fine to label Tate thus in a mumsnet thread though, especially as we've the "facts" to back it.

WarriorN · 25/06/2024 09:24

menatworkcic.org/who-we-are/

WarriorN · 25/06/2024 09:24

menatworkcic.org/the-programme/

BloodyHellKenAgain · 25/06/2024 09:26

Just when you thought a vote gor Nigel Farage couldn't get any more unappealing.

Creamcakes99 · 25/06/2024 09:28

Mumof2girls2121 · 25/06/2024 09:00

Why do people who dislike Nigel Farage have so much hate in them.
many things I read from people who think Nigel is terrible are writing such hateful, vile things thinking they are superior to others! It’s so odd

The general rage perpetuated by the media is nothing short of ridiculous

BeachParty · 25/06/2024 09:28

MrsWhattery · 25/06/2024 01:04

Oh he's just taking the piss now surely. I think he's trying to see how outrageous he can be to wind people up and he doesn't actually want to be an PM.

Unfortunately loads of people will love it a la Trump and Nige will be our next PM.

Why jump to "oh he must just be joking?"
What's that saying - "when someone tells you who they are, believe them."
Not be like "oh silly Nige, he's just taking the piss."

cupcaske123 · 25/06/2024 09:30

Creamcakes99 · 25/06/2024 09:28

The general rage perpetuated by the media is nothing short of ridiculous

What do you know about Tate?

Creamcakes99 · 25/06/2024 09:31

Staringatthewalljustmeagain · 25/06/2024 09:14

Well, I mean he’s a known anti-Semite for one…?

he said something about Jews in school 50 years ago claimed by one unidentified source and now you are calling him an antisemite
f me
if this is an acceptable guideline for labelling then we are all in trouble