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Front page and long article about V. McCloud in Times 2

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Boutonnière · 15/04/2024 10:16

Get printed copy so can’t link ( though wouid be paywall, anyway) Sycophantic piece and uncritical in any way and allows the social media activity to be brushed off. Wants to put self forward for House of Lords and ‘does not rule out sitting as a judge again’

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Needmoresleep · 15/04/2024 10:22

Sorry, wrong link

teawamutu · 15/04/2024 10:36

Comments turned off, so they know how it's going to be received. The comments on the previous piece give McCloud's victim mentality short shrift.

Imnobody4 · 15/04/2024 10:54

Terrible puff piece.
Accepting that there are offenders in all groups in society, McCloud says there may be some trans people who are rapists, but stresses that some offenders seek to abuse the law by claiming to be trans. “Just because the media* calls someone trans or offenders call themselves trans and turn up to court in a dress, doesn’t make them trans,” she says.^

Thought they were involved in the bench book that cemented if you say you're trans you are in court.

Datun · 15/04/2024 10:57

Imnobody4 · 15/04/2024 10:54

Terrible puff piece.
Accepting that there are offenders in all groups in society, McCloud says there may be some trans people who are rapists, but stresses that some offenders seek to abuse the law by claiming to be trans. “Just because the media* calls someone trans or offenders call themselves trans and turn up to court in a dress, doesn’t make them trans,” she says.^

Thought they were involved in the bench book that cemented if you say you're trans you are in court.

Well let's hope someone asks for a definition, in that case. Should be interesting.

RethinkingLife · 15/04/2024 11:09

Imnobody4 · 15/04/2024 10:54

Terrible puff piece.
Accepting that there are offenders in all groups in society, McCloud says there may be some trans people who are rapists, but stresses that some offenders seek to abuse the law by claiming to be trans. “Just because the media* calls someone trans or offenders call themselves trans and turn up to court in a dress, doesn’t make them trans,” she says.^

Thought they were involved in the bench book that cemented if you say you're trans you are in court.

Yes, McCloud was appointed to the Equal Treatment Bench Book committee. The Equal Treatment Bench Book aims to increase awareness and understanding of the different circumstances of people appearing in courts and tribunals. It helps enable effective communication and suggests steps which should increase participation by all parties.

https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-09-02-new-appointment-master-victoria-mccloud

https://www.judiciary.uk/publications/new-edition-of-the-equal-treatment-bench-book-launched/

New appointment for Master Victoria McCloud | Faculty of Law

Victoria McCloud has been appointed to the Equal Treatment Bench Book committee. The Equal Treatment Bench Book aims to increase awareness and understanding of the different circumstances of people appearing in courts and tribunals.  It helps enable ef...

https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-09-02-new-appointment-master-victoria-mccloud

WickedSerious · 15/04/2024 11:24

Imnobody4 · 15/04/2024 10:54

Terrible puff piece.
Accepting that there are offenders in all groups in society, McCloud says there may be some trans people who are rapists, but stresses that some offenders seek to abuse the law by claiming to be trans. “Just because the media* calls someone trans or offenders call themselves trans and turn up to court in a dress, doesn’t make them trans,” she says.^

Thought they were involved in the bench book that cemented if you say you're trans you are in court.

'People are what they say they are'.

Except when they're not.

GenderBlender · 15/04/2024 11:51

It is not a good state of affairs that prominent TW stand down from their roles. It can't be easy to be a trans person in the current circumstances.

There is a particular issue for judges tho, the two views McCloud claims to hold, that sex is binary and immutable and that sex can be changed for all purposes by some paperwork, just don't hold together.

Creating such legal fallacies is what has led us here. Anyone can believe anything about themselves, but it is not feasible or fair to expect the rest of us to share those beliefs. Trying to create a system that compels us to believe that people are who they say they are will never work. We have to have a system that supports trans people to function is society without compelling other to believe in untruths.

HermioneWeasley · 15/04/2024 11:55

McCloud is a disgrace to the judiciary and has caused women huge harm with the ETBB. As far as I know, McCloud is simply going part time and isn’t stepping down.

Boiledbeetle · 15/04/2024 12:08

HermioneWeasley · 15/04/2024 11:55

McCloud is a disgrace to the judiciary and has caused women huge harm with the ETBB. As far as I know, McCloud is simply going part time and isn’t stepping down.

"We’re sitting in a room on the top floor of Gatehouse Chambers, the barristers’ set that she has joined — and from where she will continue working, including with the all-party parliamentary group on whistleblowing. "

So, they have gone back to being a barrister.

FestiveAuntFanny · 15/04/2024 12:14

I had thought they had resigned to avoid being disciplined for their social media activity including attacking barristers from burner twitter accounts. But the article didn't mention that...

Berthatydfil · 15/04/2024 12:23

If you are on Twitter /X and wanted to comment on the piece the writer has posted this https://x.com/legalhackette/status/1779794012620157189?s=46&t=2rRFOIbLE0AM9N5y98zmkw

https://x.com/legalhackette/status/1779794012620157189?s=46&t=2rRFOIbLE0AM9N5y98zmkw

Ramblingnamechanger · 15/04/2024 12:25

Me me me me me.

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