Bondi killings

[BeagleMum2024]

Been thinking about this horrendous incident. Why do innocents have to suffer ( majority female victims it appears) because a man has lost control of himself? Why didn't this nasty man just fuck somewhere and end himself quietly? I keep looking at photos of the mother who has been murdered and my thoughts are with her baby who is fighting for his or her life, and of course the other victims and their families.

I find the targeting of a mother and her child to be very symbolic of his hatred

Where is it proved that he targeted them? He attacked them, yes. He was targeting people who wouldn’t have much of a chance at fighting back, so women and children namely, but so far police are saying that he struck out fairly randomly within that cohort. It’s likely that the woman and child were just in a really convenient position for him to strike and not run, unlike others he didn’t attack. He didn’t attack all women with blonde hair or all women with children, again just likely who he could get to the quickest and easiest on his way through.

The reality with this shopping centre is the demographic is women heavy also. Conservatively, I’d say probably roughly 15 women to every male, and more kids than men. So just on a numbers game alone he’d have more chance of killing women and children in such a place. It’s also not a place heavily populated by the elderly demographic. He was looking for weak targets who wouldn’t fight back so actively avoided most men - he had a knife and in that situation most able bodied non-elderly men here would try and disarm him and take him out once they realise what’s happening.

Have you seen the videos? Of him actively turning away from men who faced him off unarmed?

@HoppingPavlova you say:

Where is it proved that he targeted them?

Followed by

He was looking for weak targets who wouldn’t fight back so actively avoided most men

Make it make sense?

So, on a numbers game alone he chose to target somewhere where he had a highest chance of being able to murder women.

No, you're totally right no proof he was targeting women at all.😑 but he sure as hell wasn't targeting men as a demographic was he.

I don't know how to link it but there's an interview with his parents and it's heartbreaking. His dad is so broken

So, on a numbers game alone he chose to target somewhere where he had a highest chance of being able to murder women

Not as such. It seemed it was the closest to the part of Sydney he was hanging out in at the time. Not as though he travelled through several suburbs to get there? And if he wanted to go somewhere in the area he was in, it’s pretty much the only place with a decent density of people.

No, he didn’t ’kill women because there were more of them shopping’ because he actively avoided the men who confronted him so we can do away with that one.

Your next argument is ‘he didn’t target women, he just avoided men’. I mean… there are 2 sexes. If you’re avoiding men then you are targeting women, aren’t you?

Why are you so desperate to make out he wasn’t targeting women when every reasonable conclusion that can be drawn suggests he was?

You seem to think men can only target women if they create manifesto in advance confessing to their misogyny and detailing how they intend to kill them.

The video clearly showed him striding towards a group of people and a man wheeling around and out his arms out - he then swerved and went in a different direction. He went after women - maybe they didn’t square up to him and that’s why he didn’t attack this man? Although the security guard ?

One single victim each time.

Incorrect.

Zara Radcliffe beat one man to death after trying to stab him (convicted for murder), stabbed one woman in the head (convicted of manslaughter), one man in the head (manslaughter conviction), and another woman in the neck (manslaughter conviction). She also attacked another woman who intervened, but that was not charged as attempted murder.

Then I misunderstood/misread the post

He went after women - maybe they didn’t square up to him and that’s why he didn’t attack this man

🖕

Sorry my last post was a quote.

Its impossible to tell whether he attacked women because women are physically less able to fight back and he was a coward OR he targeted them because he specifically disliked women. I actually think its impossible to tell the two things apart - if you are a naturally cowardly person but want to take out your anger at the world you might self rationalise that the people you can beat in a fight are the ones most to blame because that's convenient isn't it.

(Or third possible option, the voices in his head were telling him to target the women - rather than being motivated by conscious animosity.)

@BeagleMum2024

You cannot control this thread or what people say, just because it has happened where you live. You sound ridiculous and almost proprietorial over this dreadful incident. Imagine if we all took your view and only cared about what happens in our own back yard? When women are killed by male violence or harmed, it causes distress, empathy, anger, despair......

What a horrible thing to say, and it totally missed my point as well.

Why are you so desperate to make out he wasn’t targeting women when every reasonable conclusion that can be drawn suggests he was

I’m not desperate to do anything. I don’t know the dude. Conversely, I don’t know why you are desperate to say he did target women? I think there are two possibilities - 1/ he specifically set out with a pre-planned (yet obviously somewhat jumbled) approach to only attack women. Or, 2/ he set out to attack anyone who didn’t look like they were going to give him a run for his money, and the majority just so happened to be women. I have zero idea which of these it was but am curious as to why posters are desperate to only believe one of the two possibilities.

If you look at the security guard he killed, from photos he looks to have a very slight build and, I have no idea, but am guessing he wasn’t overly confident or defensive. If he had of been a tall well-built guy, presenting a confident front visibly prepared to fight back (as you can see other men in the footage were - and he backed straight off and ran), then I’m guessing he would have left them alone. I wonder if a woman had of screamed at him and charged with a chair or improvised weapon (as some men automatically did) if he would have still proceeded in attacking them because they were a woman, or would have deemed it to be in the too hard basket and turned and run to find easier pickings. Honestly, we will never know either way. We have no idea. I have no idea. Yet some people here seem to have concrete knowledge in this regard?

Conversely, I don’t know why you are desperate to say he did target women?

Oh dear God.

1. Because he did - he was filmed attacking women; and avoiding all the man bar the one man who physically intervened
2. Because the officers working on his case have said so

What proof are you actually looking for to confirm it in your mind?

I will also point out he turned away from a man with a plastic bollard but lunged at a woman holding a gun, so your ‘he only went for women as they’re weaker’ holds little water.

A policewoman, though? After she'd told him to stand down or she would shoot, like any police would? I think he'd have done the same to a policeman.

@GoodnightAdeline

• Because he did - he was filmed attacking women; and avoiding all the man bar the one man who physically intervened
• Because the officers working on his case have said so

The officers have said it seems like he was targeting women, but as yet they haven't established why.

Correct, the official comment from police is they have not confirmed he was directly targeting women, it is one line of enquiry they are currently investigating. @GoodnightAdeline where is the statement from police that they have established this, as any statements I can find do not say this has been established? If this is established then I’m completely happy to accept that, as that is definitely one possibility, but without access to all facts myself I’m not making shit up and saying it’s actually the case. I’m saying currently I don’t know either way and expect this is what the police will determine and communicate. Not up to me to make shit up either way to suit a particular narrative.

They don’t need to establish why.

If I was to walk down the street shooting dogs then I’m targeting dogs. The reason is immaterial. I have no idea why after repeating that about 6 times, it still doesn’t seem to have sunk in.

@GoodnightAdeline

They don’t need to establish why.

They do, as they are police investigators, not GC feminists.

If I was to walk down the street shooting dogs then I’m targeting dogs. The reason is immaterial. I have no idea why after repeating that about 6 times, it still doesn’t seem to have sunk in.

You could be shooting dogs because you: want something to shoot; hate dogs; or are practicing for something bigger. It is important to know the reason. I have no idea why after repeating this so many times, it still doesn't seem to have sunk in.

Oh they’ll establish the reason and that matters. But you don’t need it to confirm he was targeting women because the evidence for that is he stabbed women and actively turned away from men.

it’s obvious he targeted women We need no gaslighting over that because we have eyes

Why he did it though? Well he is dead so not around to ask. But we can make an educated guess: he was a misogynist is mine. In the words of Greer “women have very little idea of how much men hate them" .

it is poetic justice that a woman ended his pitiful existence though. Just awful for all the victims and their loved ones , who were just out shopping, minding their own business. My thoughts are with them.

Well I just watched an interview with his father saying he would have targeted women because he was desperate for a girlfriend, had no social skills, and was frustrated out of his mind.

So his father thinks he targeted women.

@HoppingPavlova I find your comment about the security guard "not overly confident or defensive" offensive and in poor taste. The man died trying to protect people from a rampaging knife man. He tried to intervene and got stabbed. I think that was pretty heroic.