Bondi killings

[BeagleMum2024]

Been thinking about this horrendous incident. Why do innocents have to suffer ( majority female victims it appears) because a man has lost control of himself? Why didn't this nasty man just fuck somewhere and end himself quietly? I keep looking at photos of the mother who has been murdered and my thoughts are with her baby who is fighting for his or her life, and of course the other victims and their families.

I saw a post (I live in NSW) on my Facebook feed from Westfield saying that from tomorrow people that have cars parked in Westfield Bondi Junction can start picking them up, and also that they won't be charged (obviously). But the most beautiful thing were the strangers offering to pick up cars for people that may not be able to face going back - or the contact information of police that could the same.

I saw a clip of a newspaper saying his family contacted the authorities after they saw footage on the tv and thought it was their son.

The killer had a series of serious mental health problems, including diagnised schizophrenia and was known to the authorities.

There is no need to ascribe an agenda beyond this to explain the terrible things he did, except to perhaps recognise as a society that community mental health treatment hasn't been a wild success since the closing of the asylums in the 80s and 90s, and until more people are institutionalised as a precaution then more of this will happen.

No, I'm not being offensive at all. The facts are that he targeted mainly women and a baby girl.

They weren't allowed to drive home on the day?

Not sure that it's fair for you to tell people how to think and respond to something as terrible as this. I understood what *MissScarlet' was saying.

@Kalevala no, I believe it was a crime scene that meant they were not allowed to move vehicles

They also didn't know till later it was only one attacker as rumours were floating around that it was multiple attackers... which makes sense not allowing vehicles to leave

No, not really. We didn’t have the internet for wild speculation amongst the general,public, and we didn’t have as many of these incidents, or become aware of those happening abroad.

I remember hearing about this as it was happening, because we were driving back from Newbury and the traffic was diverted. We assumed it was a random crazy person, because that was who did those things then. And so it was .

@TempestTost we'll have to agree to disagree with each other

Not telling anyone what to think.

But if anyone is looking for a rational explanation or ideology then they won't find one. Because someone with such serious mental health problems isn't, by definition, thinking rationally or cogently.

DD and I were shopping there on Friday, it is just incomprehensible to think of that happening in a suburban shopping centre. Sydneysiders are in shock as apart from the Lindt cafe siege that sort of thing just doesn’t happen here. I keep thinking about that poor baby girl and the fact that if she survives she has lost her mum (and the other families too of course). Hard not to think he targeted women and I’m glad he was shot not left with some lawyer getting him off on mental health grounds.

All we know is that the guy had a history of mental health problems. We know nothing about his state of mjnd at the time of attack.

It's really striking how some people rush to the feminist board to close down conversations about male violence.

Luke Batty's father has mental health issues too. I don't know what can realistically be done but there needs to be intervention before these men kill.

I just think they see female lives as cheap, easy targets and hold them in contempt.

In the video, he runs after a group of people fleeing the shopping centre. One of the men in the group stops and faces him off, and he runs away.

I don’t care what people say, these types are never so mentally unwell that they go after men and women indiscriminately. They always always go after women, the elderly and children.

In public I’ve regularly been stopped over the years by ranting odd types who clearly get a kick out of intimidating members of the public. I’ve NEVER seen them try it with a youngish well built man, not once. Or any men at all actually. They know what they’re doing somewhere underneath.

I agree. I do wonder about the intentions of some of the posters on this board. They like to swoop in with their so called logic and sensibilism in an attempt to shut down the 'hysteria'

The most comparable case to this that we've had in the UK was that of Valdo Calocane, and he killed two men, one woman and attempted to kill more.

We all know how powerful testosterone is and how it can make people very aggressive (rumoured to even affect the trans men who take it too).

Men are nearly 100% behind all these attacks, but I wouldn't say that men are never victims of these sort of violent crimes.

Yes.

It's fair to say nobody knows enough to comment yet. But it's absurd to say that there is no reason to suspect he killed women because of misogyny, and I find it a really strange phenomenon that people are so quick to try and suggest that it's somehow unethical to even consider that as a cause.

It doesn’t necessarily have to be outright misogyny to target women either. At one end we have Elliot Rodger style misogynistic terror attacks with a woman hating manifesto. At the other we have men intent on going on the rampage and they mainly select women simply because they’re weaker and a softer target, but not for ideological reasons. And everything in between. All of them are attacks on women - and the result is the same.

Only today I was walking DD to the park with DS in the buggy and during a 10 minute walk, 2 men tried to speak to us. One looked odd, the other quite rough. I can’t even walk from A to B without being expected to pay attention to men I have never clapped eyes on before. It usually happens at least 3 times a week, and you guessed it, NEVER when I’m with DP. Always when I’m alone or with the children.

Even DD asked ‘mummy why do men talk to us all the time?’, and she’s 4. She’s clocked that we get this kind of unwarranted attention constantly whereas Daddy doesn’t.

I’m fed up with it. Leave us the fuck alone. Sometimes conversation happens organically between strangers and that’s fine and healthy, but approaching exclusively women with the purpose of demanding attention isn’t that.

Basically pretty much everything men do regarding women they don’t know has some kind of sexism about it.

Also, even though this chat is primarily about feminism, I find it nauseating that so many people were desperate for the attacker to be Muslim when he wasn’t and actually killed a Muslim man who was defending other people.

Mental illness may release the inner demon but why does that demon invariably tell the men to target women?

You can be mentally ill and misogynistic, the two aren’t mutually exclusive. Strange how he targeted mainly women. The first people he went to was a woman with her baby.

You’ve used an example of a killer who didn’t specifically target women and described that as “the most comparable” UK example, to argue that male rampage killers targeting women isn’t something that happens very often. It might be a recent UK example, but it isn’t the most comparable.

There’s this example where the killer targeted women and girls on the school run, mowing them down with his van, and killing one mother in front of her children. Similar to the Bondi killer, any men affected were “collateral damage”. In this case, his partner had recently ended their relationship. Again mental illness a factor.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-22783319

Spree killings are rare, but much more common are multiple murders and most of these DEFINITELY target women with a purely misogynistic motive.

Peter Sutcliffe
Levi Bellfield
Steve Wright
Fred West
Ian Huntley
Colin Pitchfork

And many many more. All have targeted and murdered multiple women, or female children, just spaced out rather than all at the same time or on the same day. And just think how many more are locked up for the murder of one woman.

Murdering women is practically a male sport. Whether it’s domestic violence, a spree killing or serial killing.

By comparison there are a small number of serial killers who have targeted gay men with a sexual motive, but can you name a straight serial killer who targeted men at random like the killers above? Even one? Of course not, because it’s not about killing per se it’s about killing WOMEN.

People with mental health problems are not more likely to be violent than anyone else. Your views are misinformed.

You made a point that in these cases they don't target men and when presented with one have changed it to list a number of serial killers where there was a clear sexual motive.

I really don't like this competitive element to rack up totals of number of males killed vs number of females killed. Massacres will see many males and females being killed.

But I find it distasteful that you just write off the male victims of these crimes as though it never happens. Even the media seemed to forget that so-called Plymouth Incel killed two men, two women and one girl.

Knowing a friend-of-a-friend who had a male family member murdered in a similar incident, I just find it insensitive to say that it never happens to males.