Bondi killings

[BeagleMum2024]

Been thinking about this horrendous incident. Why do innocents have to suffer ( majority female victims it appears) because a man has lost control of himself? Why didn't this nasty man just fuck somewhere and end himself quietly? I keep looking at photos of the mother who has been murdered and my thoughts are with her baby who is fighting for his or her life, and of course the other victims and their families.

@GoodnightAdeline

Oh they’ll establish the reason and that matters.

I'm glad we agree now.

There's a YouTuber called @schizophrenicNYC who posts fascinating insights into schizophrenia (she suffers from it) that Im finding helpful to me to try to understand how someone could do something like this (and why most would not do anything like this suffering from schizophrenia)

One of her observations (haven't seen her comment on this crime) was that she only hallucinates women... we're never going to know bc he's dead but isn't it possible that his hallucinations leaned into being one sex hence the targeting? She also talks about not really being aware it's not reality - far more so unmedicated (medication quiets things a lot) till someone snaps her out of it and that fits with the vague and not really there description from witnesses of him

I don't believe this is just schizophrenia, it's very true that people with it are mostly non violent or direct it at themselves but if you combine a bad trip with it?

One of her observations (haven't seen her comment on this crime) was that she only hallucinates women... we're never going to know bc he's dead but isn't it possible that his hallucinations leaned into being one sex hence the targeting?

Yes, it is possible. Aware the favoured narrative on here is that he targeted women because he was an incel who couldn't get a girlfriend, and that is a strong possibility. But if he was in the grip of an episode it is also a strong possibility that he targeted women because he thought they were messengers of satan or were trying to kill him.

She also talks about not really being aware it's not reality

When you're having a psychotic episode, you often don't know what's real. I worked with one man who killed his beloved dog during an episode. When he snapped out of it, he had no memories of doing this, all he knew was that his dog was dead and he was heartbroken. Then the memories started coming back. Imagine for a moment how horrifying that would be.

As I said before, schizophrenia (and other psychoses) are terrifying.

It does seem from a quick look on the BBC websites that 'stranger' killings are often put down to schizophrenia, just two examples.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68477983

and

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65238885

It's not about "putting it down to schizophrenia" as though that's an easy way to write it off.

The fact is that random murders of strangers are not frequently committed by those who are sane and healthy.

@Diverze the interview with his parents was taken by the media, the couple had no support in what to say, and it's understood here in Bondi that he himself was trying hard to make sense of what his son had done, while being interviewed. It's not that this is actually is the reason behind the attack, when he says he wasn't in his right mind, he was saying just that, not that his lack of a relationship or social skills had put him in a crazed killing spree.

There has been outrage at the media here for conducting these interviews in the way they did, which has allowed for things to be taken out of context.

Hypothetical situation - if women were legally allowed to carry a weapon and to use it in self defence, do you think there would be less violence against women? Let's also say in this scenario that Men are not allowed to carry a weapon. Do you think this would change the dynamics in society as we all went about our daily business? Would the men would feel a sense of potential threat? (Like we have to live with every day? )

Our physicality does disadvantage us when faced with male violence.

This!

I think the danger is that a stronger assailant could take control of the weapon and use it against the victim.

I'm pretty sure a gun is a lot more dangerous than a plastic bollard and if a woman had the bollard and the man a gun he would have gone for the gun.

From a current BBC News story.

"The New South Wales police commissioner told Australia's ABC News that it was "obvious" Mr Cauchi focused on women."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-68814395

Edited for typo

You missed a piece out of the statement:

""We don't know what was operating in the mind of the offender and that's why it's important now that detectives spend so much time interviewing those who know him."

Thatʼs all Iʼm attempting to say - it does seem he was targeting women, but imvestigators now need to work out the reason for that, if so.

There is also Mohammed Abbkr who attacked two men outside a Mosque who he didn't know, thankfully they survived-although one with life changing injuries. It might not be relevant to this case but the articles about him give quite a good insight into the psychotic mind and why he chose those victims. I'm very concerned about how many people like this there are walking around...

Sydney stabbing: Bondi attack on women devastates Australia - BBC News

Yes, this was a dreadful attack on females. That thing who did this, had his one last blast of hatred and in the process, destroyed countless lives. His life was ended by a female which is one small consolation.

Females? Female what? It was an attack on women.

Exactly! Isn't it well known that incels themselves refer to us as "females", so why someone supposedly so hot on feminism would use it is rather puzzling.

I didn't use women because a child was also a victim.

I'm a woman but also use the term female. It's my word to use, not my fault if incels are using it to disparage us, and like fuck will they stop me from using a word that belongs to me.

It's usually 'women and girls'. Female is a biological category and could refer to any species. Use what term you want but know that many women find it dehumanising.

And you speak for many women, do you? Women have their own autonomy and can think for themselves.

Many women I know. Yes, say what you want but imo it's unnecessarily offensive to some women. We have specific words for both adult and juvenile female people that aren't shared with other animals.