Bondi killings

[BeagleMum2024]

Been thinking about this horrendous incident. Why do innocents have to suffer ( majority female victims it appears) because a man has lost control of himself? Why didn't this nasty man just fuck somewhere and end himself quietly? I keep looking at photos of the mother who has been murdered and my thoughts are with her baby who is fighting for his or her life, and of course the other victims and their families.

I agree.

If he had lost control, he would have killed people of both sexes indiscriminately.

He chose to target women. I do believe the male stabbed merely got in the way of him trying to attack a woman.

And if you can choose your victims, then you have some element of control.

@ArabellaScott I totally agree, we do need to know the motives, and we will do in the coming days.

It's a large Jewish community here who are already fearful due to the war in Gaza.

There has been speculation about the upcoming Eid celebrations, that many women will be out shopping for specific items and that was the reason.

I'm not sure yet this is true, and honestly the few facts so far don't point to this.

You're right.

This.

it is awful, I pray the little baby pulls through

In addition, even if he did have mental illness, that doesn’t mean he wasn’t responsible for his actions. There seems to have been an element of premeditation and definitely targeting women

If he had schizophrenia as reported, this is a mental health issue and not a men vs women situation and it’s quite offensive to paint it as such. It’s a tragedy. It shouldn’t have happened. But OP it’s not helpful to frame it this way.

let’s stick to the facts and focus on the victims.

That’s not actually how some mental health issues work. That’s why we commit people to mental asylums sometimes because you really don’t have control.

Got in the way?

given he was a security guard, maybe he was trying to protect people and died for it?

Agree re the 'losing control' narrative.

My good friend at school her little sister was murdered by her father. He waited until her mother and her older (adult) brothers were out of the house to do it then locked the house and set it on fire afterwards.

It was all explained as losing control due to MH issues. But he had enough control to pre purchase and petrol and do it in a window when the other family members were out of the house.

I immediately noticed that he was targeting women - and a baby - deliberately, which the media wasn't highlighting.
But I'm not sure that being able to pre-plan and select certain targets negates the possibility that he was suffering from a MH crisis at the time - that kind of focus and drive could be part of the crisis. But I'll leave that to the experts.

I agree that his family's statement showed great dignity, and to express concern for the wellbeing of the officer who shot their son dead displays is an amazingly noble reaction.
RIP to all affected by this awful attack.

You can be a schizophrenic incel just as you can be a schizophrenic neo nazi - mental illness doesn't necessarily rule out a set of beliefs.

Bob, sorry, I wasn't really directing that comment at you, but at another poster who said they didn't care about the motive.

It sounds like there are various other tensions being exacerbated by this horrible event. I hope you and your community get all the support you need. Violent incidents can have a huge and long lasting effect.

i worked for a charity where we had a stalker - he really had a thing for women and would hassle them/ scream in their faces. Only the women.

we ran a mum and baby club and he would come in and sit at the back, glowering at the mums. The ladies who ran the club knew he had the potential to be violent so would take him a tepid cup of coffee and talk to him to distract him. He only moved on when one of the dads stood on the door one week - he was a very large man who looked like a boxer (he was actually a musician and an absolutely sweet guy).

communities have men like this but the police said they could do nothing until he actually committed a crime. We were all scared of him.

@LogicLoverLlama

Please accept my apologies. It was very clumsily worded. I meant that I don’t think he would have been an intended victim.

I don’t think he would have been killed had he not bravely intervened.

I’m sincerely sorry for not wording it better.

The point arcane was making was about the perpetrator’s perspective and motivation. Not minimising the courage of the security guard.

The point arcane was making was that the perpetrator wasn’t targeting the security guard. It was from the perpetrator’s point of view that the security guard got in the way of his intended victim and therefore got attacked too, but wasn’t his primary target.

It’s tragic that the security guard was killed while doing his job. And tragic that five women, at least two of them mothers, were killed simply going to the shops.

DrJoanAllenby · Today 08:48
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No blood on either of them despite their holding the baby that has been stabbed and 'blood all over the floor'”

Really? That’s the first thing that you thought of? What’s your point? Are you suggesting that they’re lying? Why?

I think that is a nice apology, I for one understand how sometimes you pick the wrong words or place a wrong emphasis in haste, and in emotion.
I like that posters here often come back in to make a full, un-defensive apology - it's not something that happens a lot in real life, and I always like to salute the apologizer.

That's not really what people mean, I don't think. People can lose control of their mental faculties, meaning they are no longer being rational, or understanding what is real and what is fantasy, or sometimes they may have obsessional thoughts and feel driven to follow them. Sometimes their plans are very logical, but they are based on what is essentially delusional thinking.

There was that guy a number of years ago who killed people on a bus and ate a guys face. Clearly he could control his body and act, but he didn't have control of the ideas in his brain.

That guy was deemed not criminally responsible, I don't know that this guy will be, but it's pretty reductive to say that mental health problems aren't a factor because they can still make a plan and act.

I am talking about criminal/legal responsibility. I actually have a a degree in this subject and know a lot. Having mental illness per se does not in and of itself negate legal/criminal responsibility.

www.scotsman.com/news/world/sydney-stabbing-attack-family-of-mother-who-died-trying-to-save-her-baby-called-a-beautiful-human-4590416

This article says baby is doing well, it's all I can find. I pray it's true. I keep checking for updates on baby Harriet I can't stop thinking about her. So so awful.

Sometimes of course yes people’s mental health might mean they are not capable of forming the necessary mental intent to commit a crime. But it’s not a given. People can be mentally ill and still form the necessary mental intent to commit crime.

There has been some 'not news reported' talk about a shop he entered prior to the killings, the shop workers reported he appeared to be under the influence of drugs.

His social media has also been reported on, he is noted for reaching out to the surfing community, looking for new friends to surf with at bondi beach, as well as speculation that he was working as a male escort.

@MrsSkylerWhite this is irrelevant, Westfield shopping mall has cameras everywhere, every moment of this will have been captured on video.

@ArabellaScott thank you for your thoughts, it's created huge trauma, we are working through managing our children and as mum to an 11 year old boy who is at school here with their many friend chat groups monitoring what's being shared and talked about. Schools have already organised Councelling, as have the local council have offered free Councelling services for anyone who was there at the time or even just affected at a distance.

As I said, this has had a huge impact on our small community, everyone knows someone who was there or witnessed these murders.

We are all holding our loved ones a bit closer today.

The devastation continues to unfold.

One woman who was killed was a lovely 25 year old, who was shopping for makeup for her wedding.
Her fiancé, a police officer, responded to the emergency call despite his shift having finished, and went to assist at the shopping centre.
His colleagues discovered his fiancée was one of those killed - and had to help the officer from the scene.

My thoughts and prayers go to them all.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/nsw/bondi-junction-stabbings-dawn-singleton-shopping-for-her-wedding-when-she-was-killed/news-story/14cf6023c39b930c7428e8132c573925