Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 7

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21😇
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager

Witness for JP:

SE - Professor Sarah Earle, Head of the HWSRA

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Thread 6 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4921308-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-6

DD: c JP - it's not what she said it's the way she said it

Steve is being dumped on again. Poor Steve.

Who has she thrown under the bus so far? Steve?

It must have been the "tone"

The ever-present Steve doesn't seem to figure in the list of witnesses

Why isn't Steve Tombs giving any evidence?

Who the hell is Steve?

Head of Herc apparently.

Steve was head of HERC

Blame the person who isn’t there and can’t reply

Sorry, HERC means?

So JP had to run everything she was doing by all members of Herc? WTF

DD thought mention of pronouns in the open letter signed by JP would have been upsetting to two members of her staff. And I was upset by it.

Why do they all feel entitled to a heads up from JP when no one else does it?

Sorry, was a bit behind and I see marshmallows have been dealt with.

'Due diligence' in this case presumably consisted of diligently asking their local Stonewall rep what is the Correct Opinion on this topic, and proceeding to follow and enforce it.

DD: c pronouns. Two members of my dept would have been affected by this in the letter

BC: Nothing in the letter c OU. Just SW

DD: I got upset. Re-read it. And then reflected. Not necessarily a slight agst OU but that was my original impression

Steve is the one on the left. I'm thinking DD might be the one on the right.

These dehydrated marshmallows....is there a picture? Have you ever dehydrated a Tunnocks teacake?

I can take a guess which two members of her staff were upset by the comment about pronouns.

BC: I'll try again re q. Did you understand at the time about the debate c pronoun use that hasn't yet achieved a consensus

Nicely slipped in, Ben

HERC is the Harm & Evidence Research Collaborative.

Thanks for the new thread ickky

Ah, found a list of HERC members - https://www5.open.ac.uk/research-centres/herc/people/

Harm and Evidence? How can they assess harm if they shut down one viewpoint and any collection of evidence?

Poor Steve, he's the fall guy and doesn't even have his day in court.

No official detriment!!! for signing the letter.

BC: entirely appropriate letter for an ac to sign?

DD: She was free to do it

BC: within her ac freedom

DD: yes

BC: agree shouldn't be subject to detriment as a result

DD: not official detriment, not

BC: I am interested in your use of official...