Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 6

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Back now and still sighing

Thanks ickky

And HBC saying she hasn't seen laura being transphobic but Jo is definitely transphobic

Thanks @ickky

Thank you @ickky .

I hope Jo is doing OK.

Biology is transphobic innit.

Thank you once more @ickky!

Everything is transphobic!

Are people allowed to just say someone else is transphobic? With really flimsy evidence?

BC- you were circulating this letter as much as possible to create the 'loud voice' weren't you
HBC -'Loud voice' are your words not mine.
BC - they are your words actually. From your witness statement.

I think in HBC’s world that’s worked in the past!

Yes and have rendered it meaningless with it's constant use.

@Chrysanthemum5 one must reveal the witch before one is accused of witchcraft

Special people, yes. People at large, not so much.

When are universities going to affirm science realists with a statement to that effect? It's exclusionary if they don't.

I know these people genuinely think they are on the right side of history but their blindness to the harm they are doing is astounding

Thanks ickky and everyone who's contributed to making this amazing series of threads. So much wit and intelligence on display!

BC finished with HBC

I'd like Bc to do a Columbo and say 'just one more thing - you re a bunch of liars and we all know it'

Never a truer statement

Talking about how something was one of the Ou LGBTQ+ networks and yet it's ok that there isn't even one about gender critical

Indeed.

Judge will not repeat the language from the podcast.😂

Judge can't bear to utter the words female cock yet again 'We all know what the language was'.

The phone call was coming from inside the house! 😱

Sorry referring to this (from TT)

HBC: the way it was laughing at trans ppl. Laughing at org trying to represent trans ppl. The circulation of that. I didn't think context was great. I didn't think it was sensitive at a time the climate for trans was hostile.
Having this come from inside the uni I was just appalled. Felt a bit like this is their launch on day 1. I was very shocked by it.
J: u said the purpose of letter was solidarity to trans?
HBC: yes
J: any other reason?