Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminism: chat

Original poster

Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 7

1000 replies

ickky · 18/10/2023 10:27

Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

You may attend in person or remote viewing has been quite limited but you can request log in details from

Email
[email protected]

Header should read

URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

Ask for access link and pin and please give your name and address in the email as they check when you connect to the tribunal.

The clerk will ask you (in a private remote room) to put your camera on to verify, this involves looking at you, but no ID is needed. You may turn off your camera after this pointless and unnecessary process.

Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21😇
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager

Witness for JP:

SE - Professor Sarah Earle, Head of the HWSRA

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Thread 6 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4921308-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-6

https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

OP posts:
Thread gallery
27
SidewaysOtter · 19/10/2023 21:54

I am rather partial to some blue cheese and fruit after dinner. This week it’s a rather nice Stilton and some figs. With some almond chocolate.

IcakethereforeIam · 19/10/2023 21:54

I've always wanted to try poutine.

Report back @Emotionalsupportviper I hope I haven't given you a bum steer, and waste the naice cheese and the naice biscuit.

Waitwhat23 · 19/10/2023 21:55

Best cheese ever is Rambol. Entirely too difficult to get easily but so bloody good!

Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 7
SidewaysOtter · 19/10/2023 21:55

mumsandaunties · 19/10/2023 21:52

I had a baked cheese for a tapas last night. With honey and walnuts. I don't know what it was (small and round, like a mini roll sort of diameter). I will dream of that cheese for years to come

A goat’s cheese?

Original poster
ickky · 19/10/2023 21:57

I have been trying to find a really strong tasty brie, does anyone have any recommendations?

What is the verdict @Emotionalsupportviper

OP posts:
DavidChecker · 19/10/2023 22:09

Pickled onions! Just before Bed! Nooo!
That really is the 'other' Kindness

Redshoeblueshoe · 19/10/2023 22:26

Just adding cheeses to my shopping list.

Fink · 19/10/2023 22:27

ickky · 19/10/2023 21:57

I have been trying to find a really strong tasty brie, does anyone have any recommendations?

What is the verdict @Emotionalsupportviper

Just leave it to age for a while, that'll make it stronger. Or if you're in a hurry, buy Camembert 😅

Brie de Melun is stronger than the more common Brie de Meaux. I don't know any UK chains that sell it, independent cheese shops do, and you can get it online. Brie de Montereau is also strong, but even less available.

LarkLane · 19/10/2023 22:28

Hmmm I might need to sit a few seats away from y'all tomorrow....

AutumnCrow · 19/10/2023 22:29

Blessed are the cheese makers

BettyFilous · 19/10/2023 22:30

IcakethereforeIam · 19/10/2023 21:45

Proper pickled onions though, not those sweet pickles.

Has anyone tried cheddar on a ginger biscuit?

I am all about stilton on digestive biscuits, but I will try your ginger biscuit/cheddar mash-up. Are we talking sugary gingernuts or Nairns’ vaguely wholesome ginger oatcakes? Sharp cheddar, or mild? I am looking BC-level specificity on definitions here.

MmePoppySeedDefage · 19/10/2023 22:34

Delurking to comment that Roquefort with dark chocolate is awesome.

I once attended a chocolate tasting, at which this was revealed.

That was the right sort of corporate entertaining.

Fink · 19/10/2023 22:38

BettyFilous · 19/10/2023 22:30

I am all about stilton on digestive biscuits, but I will try your ginger biscuit/cheddar mash-up. Are we talking sugary gingernuts or Nairns’ vaguely wholesome ginger oatcakes? Sharp cheddar, or mild? I am looking BC-level specificity on definitions here.

Show quote history

I am not the origin of the cheddar - ginger combo and have never tried it, but to my mind it sounds like a sweet ginger nut style biscuit and a very mature cheddar would be the best.

JanesLittleGirl · 19/10/2023 22:40

All cheese is good cheese (apart from Gouda and Edam). I eat at least 30 grammes per day to push up my bone density. Love it with home made vinigarry pickled onions, raw onions or mustard pickle. I eat cheese with bread, on toast or with water biscuits. I love cheese.

Original poster
ickky · 19/10/2023 22:42

Thank you @fink I'm off for a google. Cheesy goodness here I come.

OP posts:
HiddenLegoOuch · 19/10/2023 22:43

I shall try the cheese and ginger biscuit - as I am partial to cheese and fig and cinnamon jam on water crackers. Yum!

Scampuss · 19/10/2023 22:54
Tom And Jerry Cartoon GIF

.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 19/10/2023 22:57

mumsandaunties · 19/10/2023 21:30

I'm going to contribute to filling this thread by just saying what an incredible group of people you are.

I don't talk about GI issues at work much, if at all..and when I do it is with my breath held, on my tiptoes and absolutely fact based, oh and only because someone is about to do something utterly bonkers that I can't not speak.

I try to talk to my kids about the need for them to consider facts, evidence and to think for themselves. They wobble...as they know that what I'm saying is true..but they are so conditioned to "be kind" and of course have friends identifying as trans so are defensive of anything they see as a "threat".

So when I'm with you lot, here..where I lurk in awe at the intellectual debates, the rigorous argument, the breadth of expertise, the Gilbert and Sullivan earworm...this is the only place I feel safe.

So thank you all for being here. See you on the next thread

I speak up less than I'd like to (but it's gradually increasing). The latest thing I couldn't let pass was the suggestion - last week - that we might like to sign and promote and open letter ....

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 19/10/2023 22:59

Back on topic, if you can get hold of it I recommend Ballylisk triple rose brie. Not super strong but wonderfully creamy.

Redshoeblueshoe · 19/10/2023 23:01

And obviously we need wine

IcakethereforeIam · 19/10/2023 23:06

BettyFilous · 19/10/2023 22:30

I am all about stilton on digestive biscuits, but I will try your ginger biscuit/cheddar mash-up. Are we talking sugary gingernuts or Nairns’ vaguely wholesome ginger oatcakes? Sharp cheddar, or mild? I am looking BC-level specificity on definitions here.

Show quote history

Just bog standard McVities, or even supermarket own brand. Strong cheddar because that's the type I like.

SqueakyDinosaur · 19/10/2023 23:22

We need a GC cheese meet up!

Tallisker · 19/10/2023 23:55

Count me in!

IcakethereforeIam · 19/10/2023 23:57

Sounds like a fun do!

Sisterpita · 20/10/2023 00:18

ickky · 19/10/2023 21:07

Okay okay here is a new thread, just to stop all the fretting. 😁

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4923923-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-8

Last post

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

Join Mumsnet Log In
This thread is not accepting new messages.
Swipe left for the next trending thread