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Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 2

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ickky · 06/10/2023 15:32

Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

CW - Chris Williams, Senior Lecturer History
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SE - Sarah Earle, Prof of Medical Sociology, Director HWSRA 2016-22
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

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BoreOfWhabylon · 06/10/2023 15:34

Thanks @ickky

Datun · 06/10/2023 15:35

Thanks ickky

ickky · 06/10/2023 15:35

JM on her last question, thank fuck!

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IcakethereforeIam · 06/10/2023 15:37

Thank you @ickky and @fuck.

Helleofabore · 06/10/2023 15:38

Thank you Ikky! You are a champion.

ickky · 06/10/2023 15:40

This seems to be more than 1 question.

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Helleofabore · 06/10/2023 15:41

Is anyone stuck in the lobby? I have not been able to access all afternoon

ickky · 06/10/2023 15:42

@Helleofabore The clerk seems to be very selective in who is admitted. You could try ringing them as the Judge suggested for any remote tech issues.

6 currently waiting in the lobby!

01923 281750

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Mmmnotsure · 06/10/2023 15:43

You are not the only one stuck in the lobby, for quite some time it appears.

Helleofabore · 06/10/2023 15:43

Thanks Ickky. when does it finish today please?

ickky · 06/10/2023 15:44

5pm latest as per Judge

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/10/2023 15:46

Just caught up on the whole thing via the last thread, thanks for the updates @ickky! Placemarking.

Farmageddon · 06/10/2023 15:47

Thanks for these threads OP, have only been able to dip in and out today but hoping to keep up with what is clearly a shitshow.

ickky · 06/10/2023 15:51

JM now accusing JP of lying about the date of her Job application to Reading Uni.

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OvaHere · 06/10/2023 15:54

Hope this doesn't drag into next week for Jo.

ickky · 06/10/2023 15:54

JM, no where in your resignation letter did you mention that you were going to Reading Uni.

Why should he have to? I never have.

JM has now finished with her (many laborious) questions.

Short break.

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FloweryWowery · 06/10/2023 15:54

Thank you ickky.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 06/10/2023 15:55

Thanks @ickky

Melissamelisante · 06/10/2023 15:55

Is there any correlation between those of us getting in easily and those who were questioned by the clerk on Wednesday? I interacted with him and don't seem to have to wait at all to be let in. Maybe they have done some vetting? Which seems a bit daft.

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ickky · 06/10/2023 15:58

@Melissamelisante Could be, they asked me questions on Monday. Not that I gave any satisfactory answers. They said they wanted to check my identity.

How could they possibly do that by seeing me on a screen? Did they want me to hold up my passport? Very strange.

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 06/10/2023 15:58

Melissamelisante · 06/10/2023 15:55

Is there any correlation between those of us getting in easily and those who were questioned by the clerk on Wednesday? I interacted with him and don't seem to have to wait at all to be let in. Maybe they have done some vetting? Which seems a bit daft.

I had to interact too and am straight in. Don't think two of us constitutes a pattern but interested to hear from anyone else who 'spoke' to clerk on Wed?

LipbalmOrKnickers · 06/10/2023 15:59

Justin didn't see me on-screen as I had my camera off, I responded to q's in chat-box.

ickky · 06/10/2023 16:00

Me too @LipbalmOrKnickers but nothing that would confirm identity.

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 06/10/2023 16:01

Me either, in fact I was very cagey as I thought my responses were being beamed to all and sundry!

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