Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 7

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21😇
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager

Witness for JP:

SE - Professor Sarah Earle, Head of the HWSRA

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Thread 6 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4921308-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-6

Marshmallows are rank

I think we need to see a video of that.

BC - this is an example of institutional cowardice isn't it
CT - I didn't even know what GC was at that time.

At this time she's never even heard the term gender critical. What a load of bollocks

BC: this is eg of institutional cowardice cos you are too willing to appease and cave into predominant ac view on the subject

DD: at the time I didn't even know what the word gender critical was
[!!!]
DD: At the time I had no awareness of what GC was or meant

Aha - so because THEY didn't want to talk about it NO ONE ELSE CAN

She's just said she didn't know what 'gender critical' was. It's bloody basic biology! It's the most basic common sense! It's observable reality! It's science! No way you didn't know what it was. Liar.

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Pants, meet fire.

I didn't even know what GC was at that time - Fuck off she didn't.

So many people in an academic institution who in 2018/19 "didn't understand what gender critical meant" until they "looked into it".

Given she didn't even know what gender critical was how did she manage to get up to speed so quickly

BC: wait for the q please

Wait for the q please!

BC is demolishing this claim right now with an email she wrote.

Witness - I'd never heard of anything guv
BC - this is an email where you wrote about it at that time
Witness - but that doesn't mean I knew anything about it

Amnesia incoming

I may be wrong but I'm getting the sense that 'looking into it' involved reading the perspectives of people with an agenda who pride themselves on not reading source materials/listening to 'problematic podcasts'/watching 'problematic video talks' but issuing definitive statements based upon emotion and individualisation bias.

So we cancelled the conference but didn't really do that because of anything

DD repeats that this would have been putting a lot of resource 'into something we didn't want'.

So she is sure Jerry didn't complain but can't remember who did

BC: who raised concerns internally prior to cancellation

DD: my memory is shaky

You called it - one minute later

Doesn't remember the meeting

Here you list the reasons for the conference cancellation, yes. I don't remember

my memory is shaky

Is that on the bingo card?